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Posted 03/26/2018   1:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
after talking quite long about very common stamps here... the best would be for you to make a photo of your US stamp album or all your US stamps, maybe showing 30-50 stamps, and ask the forum "are those stamps all common?"

that would help you really the most, I think.
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Posted 03/27/2018   01:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add valera_foto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
in this topic I asked for help to understand
how to find out if the brand has a glue on the cover or not ....
because the glue has a relation to the catalog numbers ...
Scott185 ... 204 ...?
Scott211 ... 211D ...?
And also to understand the history of Scott 206 and 206A ...?
and discussing this topic, while everything is in doubt ....?
A definition of many other brands by catalog number
this is a completely different matter.
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Posted 03/27/2018   03:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
normal used stamps and special printings both don't have gum = "glue", no difference here to search for.
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Posted 03/27/2018   04:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add valera_foto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for communication......
I guess I do not understand that ........
Look at the cover without glue, even see the brown paint
or am I wrong ....?
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Posted 04/05/2018   1:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add valera_foto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Look under question ....
Scott 205 or 205C ....?
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Posted 04/05/2018   1:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Used 205 with faults.

https://goscf.com/t/45047
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Edited by stallzer - 04/05/2018 1:31 pm
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Posted 04/06/2018   03:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add valera_foto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
While browsing the forum,
I concluded that definitely no one knows exactly what to determine
the difference between 205 ... 205C .....?
did one experiment, look at the photo.
On the left side of the line at 205 ... seem to be broken and have a difference from 205C
But these are only my observations.
Can anyone make a comment on this occasion .....
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Posted 04/06/2018   05:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I concluded that definitely no one knows exactly what to determine the difference between 205 ... 205C .....?

stallzer is correct and you should re-read the link he gives as carefully as possible. Just because one person did not pay attention there does not mean what was stated there is wrong.

The "experiment" gives false results. To start, 205C is printed from the same plate as 205, after 205 was printed. Then why should 205C have missing diagonal shading lines when it was very carefully prepared by cleaning and shows more detail elsewhere than 99% of 205 stamps? Illogical.

What you are seeing is either a scanner or camera artifact. Do you actually have the second 205 shown in hand? A magnifying glass will show there are NO diagonal shading lines behind the portrait. 205 and 205C both do not have these lines. It is a pattern from the uneven application of the ink on the stamp that fools the camera at the size scanned.

Here are two #205. Not the very white paper of Special Printings. Not the very crisp clear print of Special Printings, either. If you really understood the linked post, then these are the 2 major keys to identify Special Printings. Use the PF link in the linked post to compare the shading lines in the dark areas in the back (right side) of the head between the examples of 205 and 205C. 205C shows more distinct shading lines.

The first enlarged:

No diagonal shading lines here.
The second enlarged:

No diagonal lines of shading either. But rougher printing with uneven horizontal lines and tiny flecks of ink between those lines. No pattern either here, looks very random.

Your sample size was, what, dozens of stamps? Hundreds? Examination with a glass will show none have diagonal lines of shading as you show. And your comparison with a known 205C was from where? A scan or photo doesn't qualify, only the real thing does. Do real science, not bad science.
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Posted 04/06/2018   07:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add valera_foto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 04/06/2018   07:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add valera_foto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a little bigger ....
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Posted 04/06/2018   08:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
hy-brasil,

so are there really no diagonal shading lines in the 205 design? Maybe it would help to look at the proofs?

all other similar stamps like the Taylor 5c, Washington 2c and Jackson 4c do have those lines, as well as the blue 5c Garfield, so my guess also would be that those lines are there at the gray 5c Garfield (isn't it the same design as the blue?)

here an example of Siegel where I also would see those lines. If yes, it is indeed interesting why some stamps show them and others don't, including the examples of the 205C at Siegel being inconsistent.



scan from this stamp:
https://siegelauctions.com/lots.php...1159-lot-196
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Posted 04/06/2018   09:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add valera_foto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you...stamperix.
Interestingly, can anyone have for comparison to show ...?

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Posted 04/06/2018   09:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Analyzing images is different than analyzing stamps. I do not understand why people grab images from various websites and then try to draw conclusions from them. We rarely know how the image was generated and/or what the post-scan software has been applied to them.

Images are, at best, only potential pieces to the puzzle.
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Posted 04/06/2018   09:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add valera_foto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


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Posted 04/06/2018   10:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is there something in particular you are trying to show?
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