New Zealand Scott 184 1-D Devalued To ½p By Handstamp - Is There A Scott Number?

Steiner has a space for 1p surcharged a 1/2p. I cannot find any listing any Scott for this. I checked SG and they report SG 468 1p was devalued.

Can someone confirm that Scott has no listing for this? Scott refers to overprints (like many other issues during this period) but still no mention of this

Al,
no listing in the latest Scott.
No mention of it by Laurie Franks.
I'll have a look at Gibbons...............

angore

If you can give me the year, I will see if it is the New Zealand specialized catalogs.

dutchman
1932

No evidence of it in Gibbons specialised.
Perhaps Postal Stationery? I have no idea why Steiner would include it, if so.

Example 1924

The note in SG under No. 471 reads:

"Following the reduction in postage to ½d on 1 June 1932 the firm of R H White & Co Ltd of Stratford returned a quantity of envelopes stamped with 1d stamps (no. 468) to the New Plymouth post office who surcharged the stamps "HALFPENNY" in purple using a handstamp. The covers were then returned to the firm for normal use. Similar local surcharges were applied diagonally to 1d stamps stuck onto postcards or lettercards at Dunedin, Greymouth and Invercargill in blue or at Palmerston North in purple. With the exception of the Greymouth provisional, where 40 mint examples were acquired by a stamp dealer, these local surcharges were only found unused, no gum, or used."

It's an unofficial local surcharge and is not given a catalogue number in Gibbons, just the above quoted note.

Hope this helps

Angore, my old Campbell Patterson catalog makes note of this. There are postal stationery hand overprints, and also a HALFPENNY hand overprint on the 1d field marshall stamp.

From the catalog 1989 revision page, the stamp is described in the section "King George V, 1932 provisionals". The overprint is described as a surcharge in blue, printed diagonally. This provisional stamp is said to have originated at Greymouth. There appear to be mint and used examples (all perf. 14 on Cowan chalky paper) in existence.

Great work ! gentlemen.

http://www.nzsgb.org.uk/cp/cp_newsl...y%202008.pdf

Here is what I have found out from the New Zealand catalog by Campbell Paterson. The only ones they recognize as stamps were the 40 Greymouth provisionals the dealer acquired as mint overprints with gum. Surcharged diagonally with rubber handstamp in blue.

Values are mint never hinged $3750, mint hinged $2500, used $4000, on cover $5500, and double overprint $5000.

The rest which were 1d affixed on cards or other postal stationary and sent to be overprinted. They are all considered postal stationary which I have no info on.

Hope that helps somewhat and is says nothing about how you can tell the 40 apart from the rest if they are used and not on cover or card.

Wow A lot of information. Thanks for the background. Now, why include a space in Steiner? It has not been that specialized. This would deserve a page by itself.

Agreed.

Mr.Steiner, on occasions, includes Pages / Collections, supported / designed by a specialised collector in that discipline.
This may be the case here.
I don't really mind, I consider I have learned something, and can place a Black and White scan in the position, with cursory notes.

The odd thing was since it was in Steiner I assumed it was listed somewhere - not on Scott's and not in my SG except for the text so did some searching without any success. Then I asked here.

Actually this is how we learn. My 1840-1970 SG does provide good supplemental information (better details on dies, paper usage, etc) for some issues.

The illustrated 'stamp' is a postal stationary cut-out from 1923 when various postcards of 1d and 1 1/2d values werwe re-rated to 1/2d. Information on all things to do with NZ postal stationary can be found in the NZ Postal Stationary Catalogues produced by RD Samuel from 1988 to 2001.