Stamp Community Family of Web Sites
Thousands of stamps, consistently graded, competitively priced and hundreds of in-depth blog posts to read








Stamp Community Forum
 
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

#50 And #56...where Are They?

Next Page    
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 21 / Views: 1,760Next Topic
Page: of 2
Valued Member
United States
266 Posts
Posted 09/26/2018   7:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add DaveG28 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Today I received a small packet of classic stamps in trade, and there's a couple that have me stumped. The sender labeled them all for me, and I trust him. There are two that I don't know what to do with. They are labeled Scott #50 and #56. My Mystic album skips over all of the 40's and 50's, and there's really nothing about them in my Scott catalog. Can anyone enlighten me? Where do I place them?
Send note to Staff

Bedrock Of The Community
United States
10653 Posts
Posted 09/26/2018   7:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Those are now in the proof section. The first page after the essays, just before the proofs. They are scarce to rare, so it's fairly unlikely that they will be those items.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
266 Posts
Posted 09/26/2018   7:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DaveG28 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, revcollector. So what do I look at to determine what they are?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Bedrock Of The Community
United States
10653 Posts
Posted 09/26/2018   7:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The catalog will explain it. They are know as the August Issue, they are really essays with small design differences to the issued stamps.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Moderator
Learn More...
United States
12330 Posts
Posted 09/26/2018   7:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
266 Posts
Posted 09/26/2018   8:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DaveG28 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I did the whole swedishtiger.com thing. Turns out they are #156 and #187. Fair enough...I still didn't have them.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
United States
1494 Posts
Posted 09/26/2018   8:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JLLebbert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scott 56 is now known as 65-E15h which can be located in the 1861 FIRST DESIGN ESSAYS AND TRIAL COLOR PROOFS section of the Scott U.S. Specialized Catalogue. Don't know what 50 may be.
In a similar vein, my old album still has spaces for Scott 66 (now 66TC6) and Scott 74 (now 74TC6) ... both are in the TRIAL COLOR, DIE AND PLATE PROOFS section.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
266 Posts
Posted 09/26/2018   8:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DaveG28 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a pic. How did I do...156 and 187?

Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
6341 Posts
Posted 09/26/2018   9:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I had a very good historical explanation of the 50, but the image posting shot that down entirely. Nevermind.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
United States
1826 Posts
Posted 09/26/2018   9:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe. It's hard to see if there are the secret marks or not from the scans. It sort of looks like there is one in the 1c but maybe that's just part of the cancel. Same on the 10c. I think I see the secret mark there. If either of them have it then those would be other Scott numbers. Neither 156 or 187 have secret marks. The bank note series is generally very tough and sometimes comes down to paper type etc. If you can get a close up scan of where the secret marks should be that would help. (The swedishtiger site tells you where to look for them.)
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
266 Posts
Posted 09/26/2018   9:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DaveG28 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I checked for the secret marks. The 1c has one, the 10c does not.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
266 Posts
Posted 09/26/2018   9:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DaveG28 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The gentleman who sent them to me said that the numbers he wrote down were partially rubbed off. He said they are 150 and 156. Makes sense now.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Bedrock Of The Community
12580 Posts
Posted 09/26/2018   9:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 10 cent is 209.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
266 Posts
Posted 09/26/2018   10:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DaveG28 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rogdcam...can you explain what tells you that?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
United States
1494 Posts
Posted 09/26/2018   10:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JLLebbert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with rogdcam ... 209. Micarelli's book has good explanation of some of the distinguishing details.
Added: One of the experts on this forum once pointed out that the borders on 209 are quite a bit darker brown than those on the earlier 10-cent Jeffersons. This was not in Micarelli.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by JLLebbert - 09/26/2018 10:42 pm
Valued Member
United States
266 Posts
Posted 09/26/2018   11:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DaveG28 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I used the identifier on the Swedish tiger website, and came up with 187 instead of 209. Where did I go wrong?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Page: of 2 Previous TopicReplies: 21 / Views: 1,760Next Topic  
Next Page
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.

Go to Top of Page

Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Stamp Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Stamp Community Family - All rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Stamp Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Privacy Policy / Terms of Use    Advertise Here
Stamp Community Forum © 2007 - 2026 Stamp Community Forums
It took 0.21 seconds to lick this stamp. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05