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Why Do Some People Have To Be Negative?

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Posted 11/02/2018   11:08 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The added perf is obvious


While it is obvious to me that something is going on, it is not clear to me whether it has been added or "just" crunched.
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Posted 11/02/2018   11:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I hesitate to ask a question, as this has almost settled into a Kumbaya moment, but...

If a person were to resubmit one of these, would you reference the prior cert, or send it in "as is" with no background?

I assume a buyer would prefer the latter.

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Posted 11/02/2018   11:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If it was just crunched, then the same type of mark would be visible on the back as on the front, since the paper would be folded at that point. There would be a more noticeable shadow on the back that matched the shape and thickness of the front whichever way it bulged from the fold. But the marks on the two sides are very different in both size and shape; the one on the reverse is much less noticeable.
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Posted 11/02/2018   11:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you look at the third perf from the right at the top, that perf looks like it had a slight crunch, the line near the top on the back matches the line on the front. This is insignificant to the stamp, I am just using it to show my thinking about the perf in question.
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Posted 11/03/2018   06:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angore to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
All I will say it would not hurt to have them expertized again. Technology and opinions have changed. It is only an opinion.
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Posted 11/16/2018   09:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Swscfdc87 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Greg, I applaud how you are handling this discussion and the situation. At the end of the day it is your stamp and like you said - for good or bad it's only you who has to deal with the consequences. Some people just will never admit they are wrong or could be wrong. I don't think you'll ever get him to agree there's even a margin or doubt.

In this whole discussion I learned a lot. Over everything I'm just completely impressed with Greg and what he has to say here and how he's tried to make amends and show he's done all he can. Bravo.
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Posted 11/16/2018   10:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My approach is to tell someone "you got your underwear on too tight " and then move on .

On the subject of "EXPERTS" I ran into a lot of them both here and elsewhere . First most of them DON'T HAVE THE MATERIAL that they are talking about, this area of "expert " has come to mean they can find something better than others .

This garbage of calling someone a expert because of something they read in a catalog is nothing new , they are just a "CHAT ROOM CATALOG QUEEN " , I ran into them 17 years ago on the ebay chat room when they start calling each other "EXPERTS" ,yea experts on reading the info from different catalogs . Now over the years as more information is loaded on to the internet now we are seeing a new kind of member on the chat boards ,these are the " INTERNET QUEENS " they are the new experts we see here, they are experts as long as they can find it on a website . Never do you see them answer a question from their own material ,it is always a link or a photo off the internet .
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Posted 11/16/2018   10:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
floortrader-If you would bother to read the thread in question you would discover that I am not some who simply "read a catalog" and declared myself an "expert". In point of fact I have a lot of experience in actually doing expertising. And I have a lot of experience in examining stamps for that purpose. Your post makes you come off as much more of a "CHAT ROOM CATALOG QUEEN" since you apparently did not read the thread or look at the scans involved. Perhaps if you had, you might have seen what I saw and formed an educated opinion instead of just posting babble.
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Posted 11/16/2018   11:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
REV ----Your underwear is on too tight ...........I don't collect U.S. so why would I say anything about grading U.S. material ,everyone here knows I don't trust scans on a computer to judge condition ,I just think that is a bad practice for anybody to do.
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Posted 11/16/2018   11:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you don't collect US, then why make a nasty comment about something you have no knowledge of? In any case, SHADES are not to be trusted on a PC, but 1200dpi scans can certainly be used for some types of faults, as well as reperfs and obviously centering. Among the faults which can be seen are added perforations, once one knows what to look for. In this case, it is a rather obvious problem, especially when the stamp is viewed from the front. The fact that YOU don't trust them has no bearing on what others are capable of seeing because of their own experience. I suggest you remove your underwear from your head and stop making disparaging comments about people that you don't know and therefore cannot judge their level of knowledge.
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Posted 11/16/2018   6:41 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I don't collect U.S. so why would I say anything about grading U.S. material


Then why are you charging into this thread like a bull in a china shop, flailing about, when you obviously don't care about the particular stamps and expertizing issues in question in this thread? Bart isn't the one out of line here.
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Posted 11/16/2018   10:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Really! The comment did this to someone?


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One individual, who I won't name, has taken it upon himself to try to point out every flaw on stamps which are certified by The Philatelic Foundation, of all places.

What is the point of this. I'm so irritated that it's actually kept me from working on my collection the last day or so.


And this was the comment?


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"Here is an example of the problems with certs of this era. They did very little with condition, only with genuine or not genuine. If you look carefully at the top row of perfs, the second perf from the left appears to have been added. It's still a very nice example, but today that would be called as a fault and put on the cert."


What am I missing?
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Posted 11/16/2018   10:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add uboatnut to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Respectfully, gentlemen, please:

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Posted 11/16/2018   11:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Killing the animal is not the end!

After they kill the animal they then need to cut it up for the butcher to sell.....
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