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Newfoundland 87 Question

 
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Posted 01/06/2019   2:54 pm  Show Profile Check gmot's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add gmot to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Wondering about this Newfoundland Sc #87. I noticed what looks like a plate scratch (?) in the "G" of "Granted" extending down into the emblem below. Did not see it mentioned in Unitrade. Opinions?

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Posted 01/06/2019   3:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I had a look at Lowe (1973) and nothing about this variety is mentioned.
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Posted 01/06/2019   4:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I might suggest checking out an old thread of mine about this same stamp

https://goscf.com/t/17368&SearchTer...newfoundland

The K in King looks like an 'h'

I posted a question on the British North America Philatelic Society website and received this answer from Jean-Claude Vasseur.

"The "Guy Issue" was lithographed in 1910 under supervision of Whitehead & Morris in London.
The process was well known to give quality (color & details) results... but suffering of inconsistancy in the transferring process from the stone to the plate such that numerous "errors" do exist on this issue. Even if only three "errors" are listed, there is a large number of defective stamps (50%?) more or less dramatic!"

This might give some clarity to your question. I also see a big dot over the J in James on your stamp.
Mr Vasseur's full answer is on the original thread.
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Posted 01/06/2019   4:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Trodent to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Because this issue was lithographed. The stone would wear out quickly causing numerous printing flaws.
I had a brief conversation with John Jamieson from Saskatoon Stamps years ago and he said "that there were minor and major flaws on every stamp in the sheet of 100 and that you could actually plate every position".

As for the catalogs. The would just catalog the "major" flaws.

also check his website
https://www.saskatoonstamp.com/stamp-gallery.asp Newfoundland 1610-1910 Tercentenary (Guy) Issue


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Posted 01/06/2019   6:44 pm  Show Profile Check gmot's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great info thanks. In that exhibit, he mentions a "dot in J of JAMES" as one minor variety. Sounds like that's what I have (picture is too low-res to confirm for sure).

It certainly seems like the series would be an fruitful one for the variety hunter.
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Posted 01/08/2019   1:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
gmot...At first I thought is was just a part of the cancel that covered the "G"..Then I did a colour capture and it is NOT overlapping cancel..Good find..I have 6 of these and not one has your oddity..a keeper.




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Posted 01/08/2019   1:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Robert,
You are using a 'color picker' which works on a pixel level; move the 'picker' a little to the right/left/up/down and the colors will change to one of the 16,777,216 colors that a computer can detect.
Please explain how it can be assumed that a single pixel somehow represents the blend of colors that exists across the stamp and cancel.

For example, below is a zoomed in image of a green section of the stamp shown. This tiny section contains 847 unique colored pixels. Your color picker landed on only one of these.

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Posted 01/08/2019   2:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
no more comment.
Have a good day guys..
Robert
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Posted 01/08/2019   2:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
color pickers don't necessarily pick up one pixel only, you can configure it in graphic programs to how man pixels the program should summarize, which can indeed be useful. (for example Photoshop)
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Posted 01/08/2019   2:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
stamperix,
True, but wert's color picker used a single pixel. There is much more to this than you understand.

Edit: Robert uses GIMP and it does support 'averaging' by changing the picker size. But for a post like this to be worth anything, the poster needs to post enough information that others can replicate the results. Something like 'I used a color picker with a size of 15 pixels' and sampled from this part of the stamp'. This would then allow the rest of us to understand the method and replicate the results.
Without this kind of critical process information, it is far too easy to simply post whatever supports theory A, B or C.
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Posted 01/08/2019   6:48 pm  Show Profile Check gmot's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'll see if I can provide detail but my scanner is only 600dpi. A better one is on my wishlist however. I suppose a digital microscope could work too?
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Posted 01/08/2019   8:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I suppose a digital microscope could work too


Yes gmot...I use mine a lot..Get one buddy.

Robert
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