Question About Roos... Die Types

Hi

I am trying to determine the die type as listed in Scott for this issue. Differences listed in Scott center around breaks in the frame line. On the stamp below there exists two breaks. One opposite the face of the kangaroo corresponding to Die Type III. The other break exists above the numeral. I can find nothing in Scott regarding this break.





Any info would be appreciated.

Gettinold,
TIP: With any Kangaroo, we need the best possible scan available to appraise. Your scan is not good enough. (Full stamp image required)
The second break is common with all or most of the penny reds.

The first close up, is not listed, but I would hazard a guess, it may be the first state, of a break in the Coast of Cape Levaque.
Plate B, Left, Stamp 45.
The real flaw of BL45 has a big chunk missing, just below your break.

gettinold

You seem to be looking at the wrong breaks. The listed breaks for die identification are in the left inner frame line of the stamps (Die 1 and Die 2A) and the left inner frame line and top outer frame line (Die 2B). The breaks in the outline of Australia highlighted in your scans are never used in die identification as they can exist on all dies.

If you can post a larger scan of the stamp (1200 resolution if you can) we should be able to identify your stamp. It looks like a Die 2 but I would like to be a bit more certain than "looks like".

Working on scans to help.

Regards
Frank

Gettinold,

Your One Penny roo will be 1st watermark, so follow the flow chart below to determine the die by looking at the breaks in the frame as mentioned by Frank:

gettinold

Here are some scans which might help. The Die 2 has no markers of these types to guide you but you have to be careful as some of these markers can be partially or wholly inked in leading to possible misidentification. If in doubt ask.


Die 1



Die 2A



Die 2B



Someone else might be able to translate these to the incorrect Scott designations. Why Scott's editors decided to re-write history is beyond me.

Regards
Frank

Thank you all for your help. I really was heading in the wrong direction with this stamp. My scanner max is 600 dpi. I've got a USB Microscope which images at 1200 dpi. I've taken a couple of shots with the USB.

No break in the inner frame next to O of ONE and no break in the inner frame opposite the kangaroo's eyes, so it is a Die II.

Opinion:
Your stamp was located FL31 small break in line 7

Note: There is some dodgy stuff going on after the Y of PENNY, lower right corner... I can't find anything close, albeit some stamps have problems in the vicinity.



Located here at X on the Plate..........

Gentlemen

Thank you again. The more I delve into this hobby the more I believe it takes two lifetimes to gain the knowledge required to become adept in stamp identification.

Nothing "dodgy" about the inner frame break bottom right. A feature in cliches where value plug has not been fitted properly or has moved during preparation of lead moulds. They are nearly always accompanied by breaks in the shade line above value plug. More common in Die 2b.

Regards
Frank

We're not talking about "how" here, but about plating...Sheesh.
If you want to give a commentary on "how" then please do, start a thread.
Rather than sniping everyone.
It is so regular, I await your snipes every post.