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Posted 04/06/2019   11:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good lord.
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Posted 04/06/2019   11:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I assure you that it is totally possible to find more then one "find of a lifetime". I have.
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Posted 04/06/2019   11:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've found quite a few things.

I'm just giving him a well deserved hard time.
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Posted 04/07/2019   12:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Winston - which version of 46L12 is this?
III or IIIA?

It is known both ways.
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Posted 04/07/2019   05:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add m and m to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
is that a 7 or a nine with unofficial perforation, aside from all else that was said about it?
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Posted 04/07/2019   06:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jaxom100 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
M-m, it is a #20 plate 12, relief B. The date is definitely 1851 and the stamps were added after the original stamps were removed. There is no way the cancel can be 1861. The top of the number is square like a "5" not rounded like a "6". Those stamps are 9 years apart. Not likely that they were actually mailed together. The plate blur to the right of orn R matches 46L12 closely. Good plating, txstamp.


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Posted 04/07/2019   10:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Later on, when I get some time I do want to study this cover, but for right now, so people understand -

1) there are no unofficial perfs in this thread

2) 46L12 is a rare major variety of the 1c stamp. It is highly sought after, and brings $ at major auctions.

On that alone, this is a very notable find.

Congrats Winston, for bringing another important item into the light.

3) The #9 pair 71-72L1L is also nice. 71 is an invert, and 72 is one of my personal favorite double transfers. Those are not rare stamps, but are very neat fun varieties any 1c collector would want.

Now, the cover as a whole..we'll see. Could get interesting - pro & con.
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Posted 04/07/2019   10:59 am  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK. So this was fun and entertaining. This is a remarkable cover with so much going on, most obvious is the combination of perforated and imperf stamps. Really neat having both eras represented on the same cover. Then there is the peculiarity of the stamps themselves. Starting with the Plate 1L stamps, it is pretty cool to have a triple transfer, one inverted, next to such a pronounced double transfer as the 72L1L. Never a dull moment collecting stamps of 1851-61. Then of course we have the perforated stamp from position 46L12, an incredible stamp in it's own right and one of the key stamps from Plate 12. I am of the opinion that a reasonable case can be made to call all 46L12 stamps Type III. This stamp submitted to the PF today would likely be called a Type IIIa. Saying that does not at all constitute a yield to the PF!!!
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Posted 04/07/2019   11:42 am  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There is no compelling reason or evidence to doubt the genuineness of all aspects of the cover. Unusual franking is just that.
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Posted 04/07/2019   12:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jaxom100 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
There is no compelling reason or evidence to doubt the genuineness of all aspects of the cover.


No evidence other than the cancellation date and cancels on the stamps not touching the envelope and the stamps being so far out of period from each other. I see no evidence at all that they were mailed with that cover. All evidence says no way.

Here is an image showing the original gum line from the original stamps:

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Posted 04/07/2019   2:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Turff49 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'd have to agree with Jaxom. This is a "fabricated" cover. Has value as stamps but not as postal history.
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Posted 04/07/2019   2:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The E.K.U. of plate 12 is January 25th, 1861.
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Posted 04/07/2019   5:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rismoney to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not my area of expertise, but my first thought when I saw this, was the whole cover seemed faked in relation to the stamps.
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Posted 04/07/2019   6:06 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For the nattering nabobs of the forum, here are a couple of more pieces to add to the discussion... more later.



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Posted 04/07/2019   6:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Paraphrasing a felon to prove something genuine. Never know what might happen on a stamp board.
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