1957 Qe2 10-D Definitive - CTO Block Of 4

this block of 4 with first day postmark is pictured below. ACSC says that CTOs would normally have a Melbourne postmark but goes on to say but goes on to say they may exist with other postmarks on a per favour basis or as a presentation.

The block is off paper, no gum.

So, is this actually a CTO and can anyone make a guess as to the South Australia town where it was franked?

Roseworthy?

Robert

It looks like a postally used block that was soaked off the envelope. If it was CTO, it would have full gum.

Robert, that sounds like it, thanks.

Partime, I've always been a bit confused as to what makes a CTO. Thanks.

Frank.

Usually produced by the state for sale, often to overseas stamp collectors, although some of the scarcer Aussie stamps were treated in that way. Cancelled by favour usually means handed across the PO counter for a clean cancellation. This just looks like a decent strike in the normal course of business.

When we had a local PO that was user friendly and polite to all comers...... This Postmaster I could get new stamps release on the 1st day of issue and I would use them on out going stamp purchases on letters and parcels. Would put a neat note on the envelop or parcel saying that this is a 1st day of issue stamp cover.

Sadly when that postmaster left the new postmarter came he had the manners of a pig (sorry pigs) and this is a polite description of him. He upset Auspost to the max and they stopped sending him any new release stamps and Auspost would only send him definitives. This shows just how bad he treats people.His wife is the only reason he still has that PO to work in......

Hi Frank,
Apart from Early Pre-Decimal Issues, most Australian CTO's were "mute"
All CTO's are generally well impressioned.

Yours is a common way to cancel a multiple, not a CTO
Postmark ROSEWORTHY agreed.

Australian CTO's

Geoff:

ACSC in the QE2 pre-decimal section (page 8/10 in the 2019 edition primarily says that cto stamps are sold by the Philatelic Bureau and postmarked GPO-Melbourne. It then goes on to say:




So per favour cds cancellations are very much cto, at least in Brusden White's opinion, which is good enough for me. What I am confused about is whether such a cancellation on a piece is also regarded as cto and whether or not actually having APO ship the piece is of any import, as far as defining it as cto is concerned.

Of course, you could also say that having your friendly postal counter nicely cancel a piece and commit it to the mail is not 'per favour'. This is where my confusion arises as in my early years in the UK, I remember I remember it being called that.

Then, to add to my confusion, ACSC seems to suggest that local cto is only possible for items not included in APO's collectors' sets. ACSC does not list cto for all stamps. Would it be a good guess to suggest that, where it does, that item has been included in a collectors' set.

Frank.

I too draw a difference between a CTO and a favour cancel.

Ok, guys, I think I now agree with you that a CTO item should have its original gum. But I still say that the Way BW describe CTO, then a per favour could also be a CTO. I've sent off an email to them for clarification. Does anyone know whether they normally answer enquires like this? Anyway, I'll let you know if I get a response.

Rod, re the CTO examples you posted, are the "postmarks" printed on rather than stamped?

Frank.

Frank,
"printed on"
They were primarily used for children's play packs, or promotional items.

Personally I think you are dealing with the Devil, pursuing CTO and "per favour"

All my mail outwards is "per favour" then as I ask my Postmistress to place the CDS clearly, so a quarter of the stamp is struck.
It now doesn't make much difference, as I get "sorry, I already made a label"

Sticking a stamp on, now seems like too much trouble.

The only "per favour" I consider, is when I see bulk stamps on 1 sheet
stamped identically.
Even then, it is debatable.

I think this was actually sent through the post, but you get the idea.

Steve,
I consider that genuine mail cancellations. ( I have scores of those types)
I think I was not clear

When I have met with cancellations on what seems plain paper,
multiple values of stamps, all clearly cancelled, that is what I clearly understand as "per favour"

I'll try a dig up a representative example.

Others I consider are sundry Cachet makers, (Roesler etc) that have fancy
cancels and placements.

Genuine cancels

Right.
Czechoslovakia "Per Favour" example........

Have been so busy lately....

Apologise to all. Confused CTO to 1st day of issue.

Rod:


I suspected this but I find myself with five blocks in this format. I am now 81 years old and have started making an inventory of my stamps so that my wife and/or executor will be better prepared to sell them when the inevitable happens. I will probably start things going pretty soon - selling them, not the inevitable thingy.

The problem is how to price these items. Of the five blocks, three are definitives.Well, one is a pseudo-definitive, the Flying Doctor issue of 1957. What surprised me is that ACSC gives a CV of $30 for one, the 10d definitive pictures above, and $10 for the other two. That was really why I originally asked if these were actually CTOs.

Interestingly the Flying Doctor block was also franked at Roseworthy. The third definitive has a GPO-Melbourne cancel. The final two blocks are cancelled one at GPO-Melbourne and one at GPO-Sydney.