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Posted 08/20/2020   7:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add agmasd56 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
please can any identifying those stamps



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Posted 08/20/2020   7:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Willwood42 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
White Russia, never put into postal use. See under Belarus in Scott for more information
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Posted 08/20/2020   10:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ruthenia
Not used postally
Note Forgery on the Right Hand side (see the "A")

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Posted 08/21/2020   08:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add agmasd56 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys VERY helpful
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Posted 08/21/2020   09:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Germania to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I believe the 15 kopek value may be genuine:


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Posted 08/21/2020   09:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello agmasd56,

Thanks for sharing these.

Could you possibly show us a higher definition scan of at least some of these stamps?

This may help us confirm whether they are genuine or not.
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Posted 08/21/2020   09:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wkusau to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Forgeries of fantasy stamps. That is working the system.
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Posted 08/21/2020   11:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add EMaxim to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
White Russia is Belarus (capital Minsk). Ruthenia is something else, located mostly in the southwestern tip of Ukraine, bordering Hungary and Slovakia, i.e., much further south. Ruthenian cities are Mukachevo and Uzhhorod.
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Posted 08/21/2020   2:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vayolene to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ruthenia,White Russia,genuine,forgeries,who cares?
Bogus stamps,no postal use,and even no "philatelic" covers.
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Posted 08/21/2020   2:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DStamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Ruthenia,White Russia,genuine,forgeries,who cares?
Bogus stamps,no postal use,and even no "philatelic" covers.


People who like to have FUN!
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Posted 08/21/2020   2:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I find these and similar issues fascinating.

They provide a window into the complex history of the time and also of the emigré movements in the long years since.

In his handbooks Dr Ceresa showed two examples of postcards that appeared to have been sent from a Belarusian field post office to Riga, both franked with these 5k and 10k stamps.

These stamps appear to have been printed at the request of the Belarusian National Republic for use by the army corps under Stanislav Bulak-Balachovic.

They may well never have been issued but they are an interesting area for me given the numbers of original stamps and at least four different forgeries that exist.

The Rada (government) of the Belarusian National Republic survives to this day in exile.
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Posted 08/22/2020   01:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vayolene to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Nigel for those informations.
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Posted 08/22/2020   2:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add agmasd56 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Posted 08/23/2020   10:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add EMaxim to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I find these and similar issues fascinating.

They provide a window into the complex history of the time and also of the emigré movements in the long years since.


Agree with Nigel. Older stamps are visual artifacts of what are often important historical moments. Newer stamps are too, though not so obviously.
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Posted 08/23/2020   11:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Willwood42 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What I find most interesting about this set is how many forgeries there are for stamps that never saw postal use. One of the other threads on this topic talks about how they were made mostly for the packet trade. I think that most of copies I have are forgeries.

Here are a couple of other threads that go into some detail about these stamps. Floortrader shows many copies of genuine vs forgeries in in the 1st link with a lot of detail about how to tell them apart and Rod starts off the second thread with some history of this set


https://goscf.com/t/39691

https://goscf.com/t/8428#8428
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Posted 08/23/2020   11:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add EMaxim to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scans from P.Clark Souers, Forgeries of Common Stamps after World War I (Version 2, Jan. 2019).


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