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Posted 11/18/2020   3:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add jony78 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi all,

im not even convinced these have any philatelic relevance but they seemed to have pride of place in a very old asian collection I recently purchased, maybe just the previous owners bookmarks.

Can anyone enlighten me to what they actually are?

thanks

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Posted 11/18/2020   4:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add eagle79 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Has the look of 17th century Japanese clan paper money (Hansatsu)
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Posted 11/18/2020   7:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Philatarium to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I *think* I've seen something like this before, but my memory is fuzzy on it.

First, I'm reasonably confident this is Japanese, but wouldn't lay down a large bet on that.

Then, as I recall, the final answer from a native Japanese speaker was that this is related to either (I just can't remember precisely) seeking a fortune from a fortune-teller, or else that this is what someone paid for leaving money to a temple for good fortune.

But I would welcome being corrected by someone who has a better idea about it.

One other guess is that this is late 19th century or perhaps early 20th.

Sorry I'm not of more help on this.
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Posted 11/19/2020   01:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They use very specialized font for official chops called "Ten-sho" font (Ten-sho-tai) ?
https://goscf.com/t/64258#558862 br /

TIP : Suggest changing thread title "Unidentified Japanese Items" or similar.
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Edited by rod222 - 11/19/2020 01:52 am
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Posted 11/19/2020   9:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Further to eagle79 suggestion
https://www.joelscoins.com/images/hansatsu5a.jpg

Similar format to
"Official Urgent Service Stamps" 1874
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Posted 11/20/2020   4:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ID required, and CV?
Cannot see it in Sakura, unable to read Japanese
1946 sheet
Without Gum
Imperforate 1 Yen Mt Fuji
Scott Type 167
"Thunderstorm below Mt Fuji" Hokusai
Singleton = Sc#364b Light Blue
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Posted 11/20/2020   5:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod,

Try looking at 1 November 1947. In Michel, that stamp is listed as part of the 1846/1947 definitives set, but is listed separately in mini-sheet form on 1 November 1947.

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Posted 11/20/2020   5:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I should also mention, my Japanese is practically non-existent, but I believe the notation at middle bottom is Showa 22.11, meaning November (11) 1947 (Showa 22 in the Japanese calendar).
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Posted 11/20/2020   5:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Philatarium to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, Rodney --

I have a feeling you're asking a more complex question that I'm not entirely understanding, but here's the simple stuff:

The souvenir sheet is Scott 395 (in ultramarine). 2021 cv: $4.75 mnh or used

In Sakura, it's C115 (not listed with the definitives, but in the commemoratives section). 2021 cv: ¥600 mint, ¥1000 mnh, ¥1200 used

I have a feeling your question has to do with the color variations -- if the s/s is priced with color variations?
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Michel comes through once again....Bravo.

Thanks Postmaster
120 euros for a FDC, wow.
I'll post if I find it in Sakura.
They break up a lot of their listings into sub headings, throughout the catalogue.

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Posted 11/20/2020   5:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Philatarium to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
PmGS: You're correct about the Showa reading!
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Posted 11/20/2020   5:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Philatarium to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, the FDC value in Sakura is ¥15,000.
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Posted 11/20/2020   5:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
The souvenir sheet is Scott 395 (in ultramarine). 2021 cv: $4.75 mnh or used



Oh! My goodness...
how did I miss that? a huge image of the sheet to boot !
Look forward to finding it in Sakura (learning to read the catalogue)

Thanks Philatarium.

Scott:
Stamp Hobby Week (sheet of 5)
November 1st-7th 1947
Wmk 257 Imperf
white or greyish paper
CV $2.40
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Posted 11/20/2020   6:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Philatarium to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rodney, you're so good at this stuff, that that's why I was thinking you were asking a more complicated question!

But welcome to my world, where I miss the obvious thing all the time!
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