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Posted 12/13/2020   1:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Richardinlondon to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Another stamp I inherited. What do you think? Mint.
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Posted 12/13/2020   3:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"The Serrane Guide" has more than two pages discussing the originals, the reprints, and the numerous forgeries/counterfeits of this issue. Don't hold your breath hoping this is an original.
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Posted 12/13/2020   4:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Richardinlondon to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'll have a look, thank you! If it is (got it from a 90 year old relation) I might be lucky! R
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Posted 12/13/2020   5:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Richardinlondon to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It seems to match all of the genuine attributes, where do I go to get it verified?
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Posted 12/13/2020   5:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
How were these printed?
In a forme of dies, all differing impressions?
As a novice, I see lots of differing points, to the genuine.
Esp the "1" the adjacent dot or period, and the spacing.

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Posted 12/13/2020   6:12 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Richard - the lettering on your copy looks quite different to your signposted one to me - look at the bottom line in particular.
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Posted 12/13/2020   8:48 pm  Show Profile Check gmot's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Suggestion - you should check the watermark, if you haven't already.
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Posted 12/14/2020   07:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Richardinlondon to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the watermark.
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Posted 12/14/2020   08:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kicking Tyres....
Typography
Do you see any indentations on the back from the die?

Watermarks Sc# 185 and 184 do not match those lines
(elipses or rows of crowns.)

Is the paper toned bluish or Grey?

Proofs are known on white porous paper.

The scan is poor, for close inspection, can you count the dots around the shield?


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Posted 12/14/2020   08:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Richardinlondon to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can see some indentations.
The paper looks blue/grey
I can't count the spots to the left of the shield
R
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Posted 12/14/2020   08:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with GeoffHa that the letters look different. An example is the second L in FRANCOBOLLO. As I am not familiar with the issue, I could not say whether letters differ for different positions.

I also see marked differences in the inner vertical framelines that extend onto the horizontal outer framelines. It could be due to over-inking.
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Posted 12/14/2020   3:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I find the impression overinked as well.
To be frank, all the indications of a genuine stamp seem to fit,
from the knowledge I have seen /read.

The watermark is the only negative for mine, I have witnessed another stamp on the internet with these two lines.
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Posted 12/14/2020   4:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Richardinlondon to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Of the 12 stamps I've got, about 4 have the two horizontal line watermark
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Edited by Richardinlondon - 12/14/2020 4:43 pm
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Posted 12/14/2020   5:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice collection Richard.
All new territory for me, nonetheless, interesting.

If it were me, Id be investing in a scanner (Epson) and perhaps sending that off for a cert.

The advantages of a scanner is not to be underestimated, one can get up close and personal, "toggle" stamp images to see flaws and forgeries.
An integral piece of the stamp collectors toolkit.

From the Internet
Author "Billys"
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Edited by rod222 - 12/14/2020 5:07 pm
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Posted 12/14/2020   5:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Richardinlondon to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
New territory for me as well! Good idea about the scanner too.
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Posted 12/14/2020   5:33 pm  Show Profile Check gmot's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The crowns in the one watermark are separated by 5 rows of lines. Certainly worth investigating your collection further!
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