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China Scott # 745, Odd "Ghost Image", Shifted Transfer?

 
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Posted 01/11/2021   03:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add bmbmbm to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi,

I was going through some China stamps and noticed that the stamp on the left looked a bit odd.
I put a similar normal stamp of the same type on the right for comparison.

In the denomination, there appears to be a ghost image of the numbers shifted to the right. There seems to be a curve of shading to the left of the necktie that doesn't seem to belong. There seems to be extra lines overlapping the "rope coils" at the left of the stamp that don't seem to belong. There seems to be shading lines that bleed/blur into into the left of the guy's face (Sun Yat-Sen according to my Scott Catalogue). Also, there appears to be extra lines overlapping parts of the flowers and branches in the bottom right corner of the stamp too.

What do people think of this? What is the "ghost image"? Is a shifted transfer, or some other kind of error?
Thanks
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Posted 01/11/2021   05:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well done quoting a Catalogue number.
You can always do better also quoting type.

China Type 82
Opinion.
I think some members have quoted something like "ink pull" or similar, due to the viscocity of the printing ink.
(early Spain shows similar)

I checked all my Type 82, and I could see some lines (ductor blade)
on the $500,000

Just remember your $150 is Prussian Blue, and the $3000 is blue.

I would not personally call this an EFO.

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Posted 01/11/2021   1:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bmbmbm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi rod222,

Thank you for your response! You may be right, I don't know. I just noticed that it looked odd, especially in the extra curved lines in the left white area of the neck (the curved lines seem pretty smooth, and don't really match the design element to the left of it).

What did you mean by "ductor blade"?

I realize the stamps are different, with different colors (though they're both a form of blue). As I said in my post, I put a similar one (same design except for denomination, similar color) next to it for comparison, so that it would be easy to see differences in design elements. I suppose a normal version of the exact stamp would have been better, but I didn't find one in my quick search of what I had.
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Posted 01/11/2021   1:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tongman65 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello all, could this also be referred to as a slip print?
The other cause I could think of was a sloppy wipe of the printing plate.
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Posted 01/11/2021   7:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ductor Blade
https://goscf.com/t/64528 br /


Quote:
The other cause I could think of was a sloppy wipe of the printing plate.


This is what I was tending to, albeit, I am not conversant with how they were printed.

I do note, with a lot of the A82 type China, they often have a "haze" of colour around the perimeters, not sure if that happens with soaking, or as you say, poor plate cleaning.
(Maybe quality of ink)

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Posted 01/11/2021   7:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Early Spain similarities...


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Posted 01/12/2021   01:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bmbmbm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the link about ductor blades! I didn't know about them.

From looking at the link though, it doesn't seem like a ductor blade flaw.

It seems like ductor blade flaws are just lines that go through large portions of the design, from a printing process issue.
This doesn't seem to match the shifted ghost image of the design, which includes rounded parts which I wouldn't think a ductor blade would produce.

With the Spain pictures, they look neat, but the lines or extra color areas don't really copy the same shape of the design elements, as my China stamp does. Maybe it is a slip print or something similar?
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Posted 01/12/2021   01:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
From looking at the link though, it doesn't seem like a ductor blade flaw.


Sorry,
you misunderstood.
That was all I found as irregular, on my A82 examples.
(apart from the hazy ink perimeters)

I have exhausted my opinions now.
It remains to you, now, how you go forward, and how you wish to compartmentalise your stamp.

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