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Is It Scott 66? Lake Color Or Just Rose?

 
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Posted 02/03/2022   12:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add andrewlsf28 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Here is the picture. I can't really tell the color of this stamp.
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Posted 02/03/2022   1:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Color determination online is not precise enough to do what you want with the kind of precision that requires.


Look at the recent discussion of the same problem in this thread:
https://goscf.com/t/79982 br /
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Posted 02/03/2022   2:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is indeed hard to say off a scan. Be aware when you show blowups, the color changes and get lighter/brighter often enough.

HOWEVER. If I can assume this is on a black plastic card or sheet, then this stamp is very brightly lit with the overall color lightened. Then it's a pretty dark color to start, suggesting to me (sticking my neck out) that it could be a 66. In person, it should have sort of a purplish color. 66 also comes in a (deep) brownish shade. In this stamp's favor, it's a very sharp impression with the shading in the hair very distinct. 65s can come like that, too, but we would still always expect a very clear impression with a trial color like a 66.

Because of the damage, I don't think it's worth expertising, but that's me. You might show it to US dealers that actually are familiar with the issue for a quick informal opinion.
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Edited by hy-brasil - 02/03/2022 2:09 pm
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Posted 02/03/2022   4:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GMC89 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with everything that Hy-Brasi wrote. Except for one small point. I believe you have a Scott 66 with the caveat of scanners... Etc. etc etc.
The last 2 sold on Hip, and I think G2 on ebay brought more than 500.00. If I were to keep or sell this I would expertize it. It is a fairly uncommon issue, not rare, but rarely seen for sale. The stain makes your stamp less desirable, but as I recall the Hip stamp was centered very high and I was surprised that it brought what it did.
Regards Mark
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Posted 02/03/2022   5:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think that this is ambiguous. I call for rose.
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Posted 02/03/2022   5:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GMC89 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No offense Rogdcam, this looks exactly like my certified copy, except w/o a damaged corner. When I received it I thought it was a proof on stamp paper so I made sure. TC almost proof like. The lake color is unique, with a scan it's really just an argument.
If it makes you feel better, I agree with you. Cheers
Mark
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Posted 02/03/2022   6:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No doubt about the impression. Always amazing to see! The cameo effect is pretty stunning.
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Posted 02/03/2022   7:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Apologies to Andrewlsf28, I didn't think to check your location. Iceland probably wouldn't have the expert dealers I had in mind. And based on GMC89's comment, I now think expertisation is in order. If not The Philatelic Foundation, PSE or APS, then perhaps William T. Crowe (wtcrowe here on SCF), *** Private information removed by Staff. Please do not post your address/email/phone number etc. ***, who is a trusted US expert. Check rates and terms for each.
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Posted 02/03/2022   11:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mootermutt987 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think it's a 66, with all the caveats posted already. Generally, I believe the lake color is distinctive enough to be discernible from rose on most scanning equipment. Unless the scanner is way out of whack. Having said that, the only way to be sure would be to have an expert look at it in person. Perhaps there are dealers in Iceland with the expertise. If not, I suspect your next best option is to send it to one of the USA expertizing organizations. Assuming this scan isn't completely whacky, I would send it off if it were mine.
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Posted 02/04/2022   01:51 am  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ray.mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply



My 66TC3.

The OP has a nice stamp, but I don't think it's 66. Maybe a lake rose shade. There are a lot of lake shades that are #65.
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Posted 02/04/2022   07:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just out of curiosity,
can we see the back of the stamp?
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Posted 02/06/2022   9:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add andrewlsf28 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is this used stamp scott66?
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Posted 02/06/2022   10:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In a word, no. It's a darker rose shade. Viewing stamps against a colored background like the envelope or fragment here will often throw off color perception as well as a camera or scanner. You can surround the stamp with black or white cards to eliminate that factor. As noted earlier, there is a purplish cast to #66, which I do not see at all here.
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Posted 02/06/2022   10:35 pm  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ray.mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
First of all, please understand that there is no Scott #66. It was changed several years back, and 66 is now in the back of the book as a Trial Color Proof, 66TC6.

So, you're not looking for a stamp that is a lake color. You are looking for a stamp that wasn't available in most cases in the post office that is lake and has the impression of a proof. That's what makes the difference, is the impression.

There are stamps in the 1861 3 cent that have a lot of lake color, some even coming close to looking like "The Lake" (66TC6). But, they also won't have the impression of 66TC6. And if you're looking at a used stamp, forget about it. These were not used postally, with rare exceptions, if any.

Hope this helps, Ray and PS, I accidently labeled my 66TC6 in the earlier post as 66TC3, and not able to change it now.
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Edited by ray.mac - 02/06/2022 10:37 pm
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Posted 02/08/2022   07:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add andrewlsf28 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Guys is this pink or just rose?
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Posted 02/08/2022   08:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rose
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