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Is This Thick Guideline On A 394 Pair OK?

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Posted 04/04/2022   2:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add rlsny to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Usually the guide lines are thin. This is thicker than usual. Does that happen sometimes or is it just drawn in?

(perf 8.5 single line wm, 3mm spacing)


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Posted 04/04/2022   2:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The color looks off. Do you see an ink bleed into the perf holes?
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Posted 04/04/2022   2:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Caper123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks odd. The color is different and it almost appears as though it extends into the perf holes. Can you scan from the back too?
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Posted 04/04/2022   3:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's the back. I do not see any color bleed.

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Posted 04/04/2022   3:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks drawn in.
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The guideline is drawn in but who cares. The coil pair is fake. The holes are wrong. Too perfect and no pressure ridges.
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The perfs do have pressure ridges. I'm not buying that. Look again. Anyway, I'm really not looking for an opinion on the perfs. Just the guide line. It is clearly is not normal and therefore suspicious. But there is something about it which leaves me unconvinced. With a cat of $925 I want to be more sure. If the answer is "get a cert" then I will.
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Edited by rlsny - 04/04/2022 4:22 pm
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The perfs do have pressure ridges. I'm not buying that.


Send it for a cert. I know what outcome my money is on.

Edit to add:

Before you get too sure about the genuineness of the coil pair ask yourself if the alignment of the perf holes across the rows makes sense compared to a genuine 394 pair.
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Edited by rogdcam - 04/04/2022 4:28 pm
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I tend to agree with you Risny. The guide line appears to be fraudulent, a quick look under a 10x or 20x glass should confirm this. Flat plate printed are luxurious in ink deposited and it will appear above the surface. Yours appears almost like a felttip pen.
If fraudulent I would guess that it was manufactured from a 484, the color appears too dark for the 483. Ergo, I would check for watermark as the 483/ 484 have none, and the 394 of course is single line.
Nice pair unfortunately defaced, unless I'm proven wrong
Regards mark
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Thanks for that. I did check first and there is a clear single line watermark S on there.

Rog, the middle perfs do not align with the outer perfs.
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Edited by rlsny - 04/04/2022 4:35 pm
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Likely a 345 used to create the pair. Anyway, a cert will solve everything. Given the number of fake coils floating around it is the right way to go if it is going to be sold on ebay. The two outer rows of perf holes are way too aligned. If you look at a strip of 394 you will see what I mean. It can happen but the odds are long.
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Left hand (from back) perfs digitally compared to the right hand perfs.


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Posted 04/04/2022   4:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GMC89 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Then your original question was the correct one. Awhile ago a post here revealed somthing I had never heard before, that one can take a piece o aluminum foil and lightly rub with the back of a fingernail and a guideline that is genuine would be revealed by the impression it leaves. I prefer the compound microscope and the deposit of ink from the plate. Good luck Risny. Pretty pair
Regards mark
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Posted 04/04/2022   4:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GMC89 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
345 watermark 191 (double line)
Quick check at Stampsmarter this is a rarely faked coil, for what it's worth. Single line watermark, then the original question stands.
Cheers mark

That was oblique, watermark 190 (single line watermark ) can not be made from imper sheet stamps as there are none for the 3 cent issue.
There are sheet stamps with no watermark and sheet stamps with watermark 191
Edit for additional info.
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Edited by GMC89 - 04/04/2022 5:08 pm
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Posted 04/04/2022   5:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
GMC, I think think this is the right focus. With my best magnifier the ink of most of the stamp looks thick while the guide line appears sunken into the paper. Also, just the fact that no one has seen a genuine guide line that is thick like that and that there are none that I've seen on PF is enough for me.

I still say the perfs are probably ok, but the line is drawn in.

Thanks everyone for giving it a shot.
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