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Posted 04/11/2022   7:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Timm to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
When mail is lost and not properly delivered where did it go?

Who ended up with my mail?

What caused it to be lost?
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Edited by Timm - 04/11/2022 7:15 pm

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Posted 04/11/2022   7:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If it is lost no one knows where it is? Maybe you need to ask the question different?


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Posted 04/11/2022   7:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mml1942 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Mail that cannot be delivered and cannot be returned because of the lack of a senders address, is sent to the current version of the Dead Letter Office.

If you file a complaint - and I had to file several different ones and escalate the complaint up to a THEFT REPORT with the postal inspection service, they will try and match up your description of the contents with mail or packages that were sent there.

I would not put to much faith in the process. I have a package from an ebay purchase, that was lost last fall, and while I still get a email every 30 days, it says only that they are still looking.

I think there is a Lost Mail Center in Atlanta, GA. I am not sure where else they might handle this mail.

Here is a screen shot of their most recent email.


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Edited by mml1942 - 04/11/2022 7:50 pm
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Posted 04/11/2022   7:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 04/11/2022   8:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have been putting together a presentation on the US Dead Letter Office and its history, I should have it published in a week or two. Here is a short excerpt...


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To start at the beginning, Ben Franklin became the first Postmaster of Philadelphia while it was still under British rule in 1737. At that time and well before anyone had ever consider anything like a postage stamp, postage was paid by the recipients of the mail rather than the senders. This arrangement created an issue for Franklin and by 1741, he had hundreds of recipients who had not picked up their post and paid the necessary penny for it. So he published the list of 800 names and warned that if they were not redeemed before March 25 following they would be 'sent away as dead Letters to the General Post Office'. This was the first use of the term 'dead letter' in the US (that I can find).

The US officially established the US Postal Service in 1775 and a position of "Inspector of Dead Letters" who was responsible with figuring out where dead letters should be sent. This approach existed for the nearly 50 years until the logistics drove the development of the first 'Dead Letter Office' in 1825. Postmasters around the country sent all their undelivered and unidentified mail to the single, centralized Washington DC Office for 92 years. (1825 through 1917).

It is interesting to note that during the 1860s, with the nation's men fighting in the Civil War, women postal employees outnumbered men 38 to 7 in the Dead Letter Office. These ladies were considered "skilled dead letter detectives" and inspected the details of the dead letters for potential clues about who sent it or where it was going. After the Civil War and into the 1880s, the Dead Letter Office continued to employ many women (and a few clergymen ) assuming that they would be more honest and discreet when opening a stranger's mail. One especially notable employee during this period was Mrs. Patti Lyle Collins who became renowned at sleuthing missing or garbled addresses. Ladies Home Journal called Collins the Dead Letter office's "presiding genius" and another called her "the greatest living expert in deciphering illegible and defective letter addresses". As a widow with 3 children, she replied upon her significant education and familiarly in languages, family history, and geography. For example, Collins took an envelope with the address "Miss Isabel Marbury ... Stock," and had it delivered, correctly, to Stockbridge, Massachusetts, knowing that Marbury was a common last name in that town....


It will also include a run down on the fees charged through its existence.
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Posted 04/11/2022   10:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Posted 04/11/2022   11:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add No1philatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I love the "pigeon hole!" Oh wait, does he do "late" deliveries.

Looks almost like a "Nancy Drew" real thriller.
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Edited by No1philatelist - 04/11/2022 11:15 pm
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Posted 04/12/2022   06:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add worth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is not real uncommon to receive mail deleiverd to the wrong address. Two to three times a year I will get something that is either a few numbers off, but on my street or is the right house number but a street or two over from mine. My guess would be most "lost" mail has actually been delivered to the wrong address and the person who did receive it did not return it to the mail for a correct delivery.
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Posted 04/12/2022   10:04 am  Show Profile Check wheelman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add wheelman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can't help myself:
It's under Oliver's control at Signed Sealed and Delivered. He and the "Postables" are enjoying a Yahoo while figuring out where they all are supposed to be delivered.
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Posted 04/12/2022   10:49 am  Show Profile Check Triangle's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Triangle to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think the UK and many other countries have similar systems. The letters may be officially opened to look for a sender address to return if the arrival address is invalid.
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Posted 04/12/2022   12:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mml1942 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The post office also delivers mail to the wrong PO Box. During tax season, I received several pieces of mail with tax forms belonging to a nearby box. I returned them to the slot reserved for miss-delivered mail, so it could be re-delivered to the correct box. I hope they made it to the correct box.

A few days later, I had another batch of envelopes tax forms. This time I wrote a note on one envelope that this was the second group of miss-delivered letters I had received in the incorrect PO Box, and that perhaps they might want to complain to the postmaster about the poor handling of their mail.

The result: I got a nasty-gram from the mail clerk who handled the box mail informing me I should not write notes on other people's mail.

But, I have not had any miss-delivered mail since.

Mike

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Posted 04/12/2022   1:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Mike's 'Watch For This Guy' photo also now hangs in the Post Office lobby.

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Posted 05/03/2022   12:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add patg23 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here are two that made it back to us after a visit to the dead letter office.
Fee went from 40¢ to 70¢ between Jan. 1981 and Sep. 1982.

No outside return address; but was able to open and find one.





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