Information About USA Perfin Revenues

@revenuermd

Thanks for your valuable and guiding comment and I need it more on my coming reply as there is something confused me.

Now I will add what I got for the remained three revenues I asked about and need discuss and correction if I am wrong or any valuable addition to what I say. I will resend the photo of those revenues.



the first one from the right is sc#r324 perfin pattern F S M/& CO stands for Mosley & COMPANY New York - the next one from the right is sc#r349 perfin pattern E/& CO stands for Engel & company
NEW YORK-the last one is the what make me confused because the pattern didnt mentioned in any source also if I am right the company itself didnt mentioned while it clear on th stamp also it got date under the pattern so it is punched canceled not a pure oerfin revenue any how it is sc#r349 punch pattern is ASIEL& Co it stands for Asiel & Company New York a brokerage firm one of Wall Street's oldest brokerage firms also the last of the old generation leaders E. Nelson Asiel was died in 2013 at age of 96 years so I need to know why this company and pattern I didnt found in perfins pattern or company names.
@revenuermd
@revenuecollector

Mottaz

You may be correct in your identifications. What is strange in all of these stamps that you have shown us is that they are documentary stamps and not stock transfer stamps.The use of the documentary stamps by stock brokers is somewhat unusual because these could not have been used on transactions on a stock exchange. Such transactions would have been somewhat unusual. Perhaps they were not even stock transactions.

This explanation may be the reason why they are not in the Art Mongan reference catalogs.

@revenuermd

Yes you are right I never saw that on documentary before so I wish I could find some onpaper not offpaper , I got other perfins on stock transfer I didnt examine yet and I will search for other documentary and I will send them here in a reply.

Just to put it right here as well.
The shown perfin G&Co. ist not the same as on the letter. Take a look at the dot following the "Co".

This perfin is definitely G207 and was used by Goodbody & Co from NYC.

@tommtomm

I revised the pattern and it didnt got a dot after Co so I still say it is G205 stands for
Guggenhime as the perfin sent didnt contain dot I will add photos now, taking into cosideration that
Goodbody & Co from NYC also use G&/Co but its different in form pattern so if one had a photo for this company on a cover we can see the difference as I still see what I send is G205.

The zenius.kalnieciai is a very nice source, but you can forget any information without pictures! Even the number of holes are not mentioned.

Please take a look at both perfins and count the Co holes.
But as I wrote, there isn't even a doubt because of the dot after the o.
It is NOT Guggenhime!

@tommtomm
thanks dear for your concern and what I said is the same I mean if you got pictures for both pattern and the two companies you can send to count number of holes and the hodograph of the pattern mean its calligraphy as in zenius.kalnieciai both companies use pattern G&/Co without dot on the same period of time.
I REVISED THE NUMBER OF HOLES AND THE DOT AFTER Co ACCORDING TO THAT YOU ARE RIGHT ITS PATTERN G207 stands for Goodbody & Co from NYC.

So maybe this helps ...




If you need any further information about worldwide perfins, feel free to ask.
I got all available catalogs (even Japan) and collect all countries.

@tommtomm

Thanks for your help ,yes for sure what u sent is a great help and for sure if I need any thing I will contact you via email if you agree dear.

Hello every one, I new itemes and a new question ,the first stamp from ledft is documentry :stock transfer sc#Rd 12 , perf 11 1918 perfin pattern J&/D :Jaquelin & De Coppet New York,NY the perfin pattern used from 1908-1927, it is imperforated from upper side so did it from booklet pan?

The seconed perfin from the left I need to ask about as I failed to distinguish what is it ,can some one help?

The third one is also Documentary :stock transfer sc#Rd 16 perf 11 1918 perfin pattern H&/K : Harriman & Kreech New York, NY begin used 1926 .

The middle stamp has a punched cancel (note the date).

You are confusing yourself, so it may be good to go back and re-read the previous posts on this thread about perfins vs punched cancels.

Also, you may find it useful in reading the holes to scan each stamp individually to make it easier to flip or rotate each back-side image to get an image which reads correctly.

dear I know the middle stamp has punch cancellation, I mean did any one recognize the letters on it .