Information About USA Perfin Revenues

Hello dears I need full info about those perfins first I was hesitated where to post them as I didnt found perfins category but I foumd this topic talk about revenues so I choose to post here

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My response, second post in thread will direct you to discover answers yourself.

If you are comfortable with changing addresses, just modify the "usa/g/ghtml" to the letter you need, for example usa/n/nhtml for your NYS Co. inquiry.

Is there a reference on perfin cancels on U.S. revenues, either standalone or as part of a more comprehensive work?

If they are still on stock transfer or tax documents it gets a little bit easier, but for stamps soaked off attribution can be difficult.

Here is where things can get dangerous trying to assign a name to the holes in revenue stamps. Perfins are holes placed in (postage) stamps to help with theft control. Punched holes in revenue stamps on documents is also a form of cancellation. Off the document there are just holes in the stamp. Thus if perfinned the stamps may be considered as previously used and not accepted for the tax/fee amount to be collected and shown by the revenue stamps. Could be an expensive and counterproductive process.

That said, perhaps Eric Jackson (a SCF member) may be able to answer if perfins on revenue stamps was allowed or if it was considered a cancellation of the stamp thus not done.

I have in my stamp office many, many examples of the R228 et seq on examples of the WWI parcel tax. They are all cancelled in my different ways even though the proper way per official instructions was to just initial with date in manuscript. I would have to review these to see if any were perfinned prior to use. That however would be an excavation for another day and not timely enough for this thread.

AGAIN thanks my dear@ Parcelpostguy for your help but search every item is not easy as you think even many searchs return nothing specially I collect world wide classics for all topics postage stamps revenues official telegraph precancel perfins etc every classics I interested in it many items you can serch for days with nothing get as example some manuscript cancelation on usa revenues

@Parcelpostguy I will reply to the last paragraph in you last reply" I would have to review these to see if any were perfinned prior to use" I will answer from the view of egyptian perfins on both postage and revnue stamps yes many companies make there perfins before use in the mnh og state then used latter to save time

mottaz,

One has to be careful to differentiate the two types of holes, both commonly found on these revenues

1. Perfin: Just like with postage stamps, these are done before use to prevent theft, misuse, etc. Small in total area to completely fit on the small-sized revenue stamps and often showing two impression on the larger stamps, like you show. Typically containing the corporate initials or logo only.

2. Punched cancels: typically much larger than the stamp and frequently containing a date of use and punched beyond the edges of the stamp.

It is common to find revenue stamps of this era with both a perfin and a punched cancel.

Add: here is a document I have shown before of the front, back and back-lit close-up. Stamps with both perfin (only through the stamp) and punch cancels (through both the stamps and the document):

https://www.americanstampdealer.com....aspx?id=355

Jim

@John Becker

thanks for your addition you make me take attention that some punched cancel may be of small size make it similar to perfins, but I got another question where to find data about different patterns and their rarity classification.

i will add some info about what I send to help any one read the topic the first one I send the perfin pattern is G205 BELONG TO Guggenhime & Co., San Francisco, CA
A photo for the pattern

Good work, the design element I could not discern was an ampersand, "&."

Thanks John. I keep forgetting that "perfins" and revenue punch cancels are completely different animals for different intended purposes. I just tend to see "holes in stamps".

Some of the punch cancels are very large, so on a single stamp you would never get the full context...

Thanks to James Drummond for providing a link to the fourth article (October 2006) that I wrote for American Stamp Dealer & Collector on the subject of perfins on revenue stamps. The article refers to the work of Art Mongan that was published by The Perfins Club in 2010 in three volumes and is an excellent starting place for identifying the user of the perfins.

U.S. Revenue-Perfins, Volume 1 Catalog of Revenue Perfins, [384p.]
U.S. Revenue-Perfins, Volume 2 Catalog of Revenues Beer, Wine, Tobacco, Oleomargine, etc Perfins, [436p.].
U.S. Revenue-Perfins, Volume 3 Catalog of Perfins in Checks, Fiscal Paper, [284p.]

They can be obtained from The Perfins Club, https://www.perfins.org/publications-for-sale/

I will but what I got after search to inform and discuss results I will send results on two reply adding the photos used before with thanks to every one shared before


the first one from left is sc#r349 perfin pattern ML/P/F&B stands for MERRILL,PIERCE.FENNER & BEANE -THE second from left also sc#r349 I think it is punched cancel as dear John Becker say due to date under the pattern and I need correction if I am wrong the pattern is L&CO. stands for J.E.LINDE PAPER COMPANY ( ALSO dear John Becker did punched cancel is the same as cut cancel mentioned in scott) - the last one I think also punched cancel for the date also it is sc#r374 the pattern W&CO. stands for Wellington company .
Something to add that the middle one got some blind punches on the row of the date.

@revenuermd thanks dear for your effort and I wish you discuss the coming reply by tomorrow as I need to sleep know as I need your opinion fpr the coming reply

Art Mongan's catalog would agree with your identification of Merrill Lynch and he had recorded its use on the federal stock transfers, as well as the stock transfer stamps from NY, PA, MA, and TX.

Mongan recorded several L & Co cancels on stock transfers and none of them on the general documentary. Same could be said for your W & Co. In neither case are Mongan's identifications what you have presented. I am curious how you came up with J.E. Linde Paper Company and Wellington Company.

Regardless, the documentary stamps if used on stock transfers, these would have had to been used on transfers not on a stock exchange.