What It This Turkish Overprint Stamp??

Hello everyone,

I have this stamp:




What is it??
I think the base stamp is design A21, stamp 153 from the Scott catalog.

The overprint has a 6 pointed star - many of the overprint stars have 5 points.

I can't see any additional overprint on it - just the star and crescent.

What could it be??

Thanks for any help,

John Paul

Hi John Paul,

It's SG 617 / Scott #B8.

Nigel......


I disagree.... B8 has an additional overprint that looks like a wide Uwith a dot under it. The op reads as "For War Orphans" and is identical to the over print on B1-5......but it's not shown on the 20pi......not sure but this could be a fake item or a new discovery.

Hello nr-notrare,

The Scott listings could be much clearer here!

In the Scott listing:

#B7-B10 are for type A21 with the War Ophans overprint.

#B11-B13 are for type A21 with the War Ophans overprint and the béhié overprint.

#B14-B15 are for type A22 with the War Ophans overprint.

#B16 is for type A22 with the War Ophans overprint and the béhié overprint.

Nigel......


B8 has an additional overprint....as do the others you mention. B8 & B12 are the only 20pi in the group......I suppose Johns stamp could be either B8 or B12 without the additional op......could be john has made a discovery........but I'd be hard pressed to justify the cost of certifcation for what looks like a 75 cent stamp......also could be that there is another country that we should be considering.

I agree with Nigel SG617

Here is my grotty collection, including the
behie overprint to indicate discounted stamps.

What is a "grotty collection" Rodster? Is grotty an Australian adjective or a Turkish Province where those stamps come from?

Rodster I like that.

grotty [#712;gr#594;t#618;]
adj -tier, -tiest Brit slang
1. unpleasant, nasty, or unattractive
2. of poor quality or in bad condition; unsatisfactory or useless

Hello nr-notrare,

I'm afraid that you're misinterpreting the layout in the Scott listing.

In your extract scan the structure is:

For War Orphans
-On Stamps of 1905
-On Stamps of 1906
-On Stamps of 1908 (with #B4-B5 cropped out of your scan)
--With Additional Overprint (within the listing for "On Stamps of 1908")
-On Stamps of 1909

The discount / béhié overprint only applies to #B6 in your extract.

The Turkey listings for Scott are not only confusing (unless you already have most of the stamps), but there are actually quite a few errors that still remain uncorrected. The way Scott arranges the overprint listings for Turkey can be very confusing because Scott is inconsistent in the layout, leaving the user to have to often guess which grouping of stamps are for an ADDITIONAL overprint and which are simply new overprints. Even the most seasoned of collectors get off-tracked by the Turkey listings.

I don't have my resources with me, but having corresponded with Nigel in the past on Turkish stamps, I would defer to Nigel's ID.

Nigel....


B8 has an additional overprint that is not on the stamp John has asked about therefore it cannot be an B8. It does not say that the stamps of 1909 revert back to the single overprint of the earlier stamps. Also.....the next several groups of stamps also have the same additional overprint.

Hello nr-notrare,

I think we must agree to differ on this one.

works for me Nigel.

It's too bad that Scott & Gibbons don't get together and discuss issues like this found throughout both catalogues.

Thanks for all the replies. I am glad this is actually confusing rather than me just being idiotic. While I read the catalog the same way as nr-notrare, I now see how the "additional overprint" could just be a subsection under the "Stamps of 1908" section. Thanks for the explanation nigelc.

John Paul

Just for the record:
This overprint is noted in old Catalogues under
Cilicia (French Admin)
(Southern Turkey, North of the horn of Crete)

Although the design is noted, it is not linked to any
stamps of Cilicia, so maybe a catalogue error.

How one distinguishes these opts on stamps
from Cilicia v stamps from Turkey is anyone's guess , probably only via cancellations.

Oops..I now realise they were Turkish stamps already with the moon opts existing, which were were further optd "CILESIE"


French troops occupied Cilicia on 1 January 1919. According to the Treaty of Sèvres signed in 1920, Cilicia was to become an independent Armenian state under French Authority. That treaty had never gone into effect because of the Turkish War of Independence. The French were still there several months after the Cilicia Peace Treaty was signed with the Turkish national movement on 9 March 1921. Fighting had continued.