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1913/1914 China Junk $1 Stamp With Interesting Multilingual Cancel

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Posted 04/09/2023   4:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Jvpool to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Can't find this inverted any info on this stamp would be great thanks.


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Posted 04/09/2023   4:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jvpool, your image ( photo ? ) does not enlarge very well. Could you please post a better and bigger scan ?


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Posted 04/09/2023   4:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your stamp doesn't exist ,looks like someone was having fun and games . There exist a $2.00 stamp ,blue and black with a inverted center. It is from the Second Republican issue ,the first Beijing printing .
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Posted 04/09/2023   4:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jvpool to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I also need to know how hi I should go on the these stamps before I miss out thanks.
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Posted 04/09/2023   4:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Miss out ,would be the better choice , but then again I would be willing to buy them at $1.00 or $ 2.00 each . The real inverts are a duller/lighter shade .
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Posted 04/09/2023   4:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jvpool to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the help guys.
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Posted 04/09/2023   5:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ebay Seller, laimo-fr had this sold listing yesterday (appears to be OPs stamp)

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Posted 04/09/2023   5:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In my opinion, nikokara-52 seller has VERY similar listings.

Many similarities in the way they do listings (identical Item Specifics, same blue font color in item description, etc.)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/374609163999
I am dubious.
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Posted 04/09/2023   6:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you look down below in in each listings boilerplate you will see:


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MNH**Mint Never Hinged Reproduction


Nothing he sells is genuine.
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Posted 04/09/2023   6:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
£57 for a piece of junk paper....nice day's work!

I don't understand the relevance to the thread title (apart from the "junk stamp"
which is appropriate)


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1913/1914 China Junk $1 Stamp With Interesting Multilingual Cancel

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Edited by rod222 - 04/09/2023 6:44 pm
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Posted 04/10/2023   06:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is Reproduction the same as Reprint or Replica?
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Posted 04/10/2023   2:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mootermutt987 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rob Roy - I would say 'no' to your question in the sense that it is not likely an OFFICIAL reprint or replica. A better word would be 'fake'. The seller would likely say that it was done to allow people that could not otherwise afford such a stamp to get something to fill a space. The rest of us would likely say he is doing it to make a butt-load of money. Bury the truth deep in a description, and it will be missed by enough people to get the bidding up.
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Posted 04/10/2023   4:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you mootermutt987. I understand that sellers can misuse terms.
My main reason to ask was for philatelic education: Of the 3 terms that I've mentioned, Reproduction is not included in our site's glossary, so I wondered what the differences are between the 3 terms.
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Posted 04/10/2023   9:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Opinion
"Reproduction" can be the descriptor, for any of the three mentioned
It is a "use all" adjective.

Reproductions: stamps made from a new plate to imitate the original issues as the U.S. Special printing of 1875

Bib : Askphil

US Stamp reproduction
Uncancelled US stamps reproduced in authentic colours must be shown either less than 75% or more than 150% of actual size.

Facsimile: A reproduction of a genuine postage stamp, intended for souvenir value, and not meant to defruad

Ergo: If the original posters stamp had "facsimile" printed on back, then a "reproduction", as it did not, then a "fake" (intended to defaud)
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Edited by rod222 - 04/10/2023 9:08 pm
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Posted 04/10/2023   9:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, Rod, for the detailed explanation.

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Reproductions: stamps made from a new plate

Can it be used for postal use too, like if the old plate was too warn?

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must be shown either less than 75% or more than 150% of actual size.

Does that mean that the new plates need to be less than 75% or more than 150%?
In this thread the size is 100% - does it mean that it's not a reproduction?
Where do "reprints" and "replicas" fit in? Are they not for postal usage?
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Posted 04/10/2023   9:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Getting a bit beyond my knowledge
I'll answer best of my ability.

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Can it be used for postal use too, like if the old plate was too warn?


No, then it will be a new plate number (as genuine) or if part of plate renewed then a "cliche" depending on how the plate was engineered.


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Does that mean that the new plates need to be less than 75% or more than 150%?
In this thread the size is 100% - does it mean that it's not a reproduction?
Where do "reprints" and "replicas" fit in? Are they not for postal usage?


A: This means that plates used to "reproduce" genuine postage stamps
(eg: stamp albums, catalogues, private souvenir sheets, promotional material)
Without the angled cross bar cancelling the stamps (and in original colours)
Then they must follow that % rating.

Reprints, these can fit in in various guises, original plates, but they may have "secret markings" identifying reprints (China) or use differing colours,
differing papers etc.

Replica is a Facsimile.


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