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Help On Mute Cancellation Of 1840's

 
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Posted 06/18/2025   6:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add cjac76 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
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Hello!

I need help identifying the origin of a mute cancel from 1844.

It is a very small stamp, around 8mm.

Has anyone ever seen something like this at that time?





Thank you in advance!
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Posted 06/18/2025   6:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZebraMan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe you can post the stamp (or cover) where you saw this? Specifically, from what country? It looks like a relatively common cork cancel, but the angles of the opposing triangles is a bit unique.
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Posted 06/18/2025   6:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cjac76 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's on a Brazilian stamp.
But Brazil didn't have mute cancels at that time, they appeared only two decades later.
So, it must be from somewhere else.
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Posted 06/18/2025   6:54 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Or it is a late usage
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Posted 06/18/2025   7:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cjac76 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No, there's another postmark on the same stamp on which you can clearly see the date 1844…
I'll try to get an authorization to post the image of the stamp.
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Posted 06/19/2025   07:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cjac76 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's the stamp…


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Posted 06/19/2025   07:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Given its size and placement (two locations) why are we ruling out it's being a part of the circular cancellation?
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Posted 06/19/2025   08:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cjac76 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

This circular postmark is the most common in this type of stamp, widely known, and doesn't have this mute part. They are certainly two different cancellations…
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Posted 06/19/2025   12:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billsey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Too small to be a cork cancel IMHO. Not positioned right to be part of the CDS cancels. I do see a pen cancel, maybe the rest were added later and the pen is the genuine?
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Posted 06/19/2025   1:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cjac76 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

My best guess is that the letter came out of the interior of Brazil, with the stamp canceled only to the pen. It passed through the capital (Rio de Janeiro), where it received the circular postmark and went to some foreign country, where it received this mute cancellation, because in Brazil they were not yet used at that time. It remains to be seen where it could be from...
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