1860's Antique Cdv Civil War Era Photo Zanesville Ohio Interesting Single R5c Margin Copy Revenue

Got it.

Now for another question that you may or may not be able to answer. Both of these items are from the same seller. Does the top stamp look more ultramarine to you than the bottom one? I am not experienced enough to determine something like this right now. I understand that colors are not always true on the computer, and lighting among other variables can cause two stamps of the same color to look different when photographing them.

As you know, the R13e is a $350 stamp and the R13c is .40, so I'm not going to be surprised to hear I shouldn't go out and celebrate tonight.

Although it is difficult at best to tell shades online, the strong likelihood is that this stamp is pale blue, and not ultramarine.

Milky blue ala R97, not ultramarine. R13 really should have the same 3 shades listed in Scott as R97 does.

The ultramarines were late printings, I believe well after the 2-year period CDVs were taxed, so you will never see a legitimate example of R13e on a CDV.

By way of reference:



From left to right: ultramarine, milky blue, blue.

The pale or possibly "milky" blue is pretty common on this stamp, so a catalog listing is not really worth the space. It's probably possible to add two pages to the First Issue listing by adding all the possible shades. Fun for a collector to search out, but it would drive some people crazy to have to deal with.

The three color examples you provided show it perfectly, the one in question is definitely milky blue and not ultramarine.

Also, you saying that the ultramarine color didn't appear until after the two year period of taxation disqualifies it too, something that a revenue greenhorn like me wouldn't have known very easily. Thank you again!

Yes, it seems I read about the first issue and all the possible shades, maybe it was in the Friedberg book I just received the other day.

My first CDV photographer precancel!

Nice! That one's always a fan favorite.

I saw a second one from this photographer which I passed on because the precancel was poorly centered on the stamp and was more weakly struck.

It's great when you have a new interest, revenues in my case, and you have a place like this to go where there are many experts, or at the very least, extremely knowledgeable people, who are willing to share their experience with you, and answer the onslaught of basic beginner questions. So, as my feeding frenzy continues, I have a couple more questions, both revenue based, but unrelated to each other.

1) I read something about CDV's from California being harder to find than Eastern CDV's. Was this speaking about CDV's in general from California, or just the ones with revenue stamps?

2) Has there been a reference book published, or is there a link to a site that deals with the cancellations (hand stamped rather than pen) on first issue revenues, and their scarceness or rarity?

Not specifically for rarity. There was a pamphlet years ago that listed the known printed cancels and the names of the users when known. But knowing scarcity is a product of collecting for a long time. Revenuecollector's website helps.

Yes, I understand that this is the way it sometimes needs to be done, unless someone ahead of you has done the homework and shares it with others who have similar interests. Just in my short time looking at first issue stamps off cover, on your site, ebay, and Hipstamp, there are some cancels that I have seen many times and some not so much, so that is a starting point for recognizing scarcity.

Not my site, Dan Harding's site.

Viewing scads of material over decades and keeping an eye on what sells for how much. This is where going to stamp shows can pay dividends: seeing how different dealers value and price different types of material. Depending on the dealer's expertise, experience, and specialization, the same material may vary widely in price.

Also, there are some references on the subject. One that I recommend, especially given its low price on the used market, is "Exposing America: Photographs from August 1, 1864 through July 31, 1866" by David Horton, 2006.

Hardbound, 236 pages.

A used copy is $10 at Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/Exposing-Ame...p/097687606X

Bruce Baryla's comprehensive "Civil War Sun Tax" exhibit is archived online:

https://web.archive.org/web/20200609221720/http://web.newsguy.com/bruceb/london/exhibit01.htm

(The message board mangles the link above, so select it all and copy it into your browser.)

I've received Bruce's permission to include his exhibit on my website so it's more findable, as the above link does not show up in Google searches for the subject. Another on the list of things to get done.

I acquired many of the scarcer items in the exhibit when he broke it down and sold it piecemeal on ebay in 2013.

I've also asked another collector who has exhibited extensively on the subject more recently if I may have his permission to publish his exhibit as well.

So stay tuned...

Yes of course, I get you two confused.