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Posted 07/26/2025   10:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add HWDear to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Do you fine folks think this is printed or possibly a transfer from another stamp?

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Posted 07/26/2025   10:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add m and m to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am not a specialist in these, but it appears to be offset from the stacking of the newly printed sheets.
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Posted 07/26/2025   10:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add HWDear to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's what I was thinking at first but I'm not sure now. It's obviously only a portion but if it was transfer I wouldn't think it would be one nice and straight portion of it. But then again, if it was printed, I believe there would also be more of it.
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Posted 07/26/2025   10:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It must be set-off because it is in reverse.
If it were printed, then it would be "correct".
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Posted 07/26/2025   10:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is a reverse side "setoff." Note that the image on the stamp reverse has the bottom half of the numeral "3" at left facing in the wrong direction. That is the tipoff for a "setoff" (sometimes called an "offset" which multiplies confusion).


Added: John beat me to it.
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Edited by essayk - 07/26/2025 10:59 am
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Posted 07/26/2025   11:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add HWDear to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So then the same for this?
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Posted 07/26/2025   11:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That is correct. However, having such a complete reverse image makes for a desirable item in its own right.


Added comment: these stamps were printed about 1870-73, and they were stacked in full sheets right off the press, on their way to being perforated. The ink was still wet to a greater or lesser extent, and setoff transfers were not at all uncommon. What we see today is the remnant that has survived the decision making of generations of collectors. Most wanted clean stamps.
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Edited by essayk - 07/26/2025 11:18 am
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Posted 07/26/2025   11:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes. This was called "offset" for over 100 years, and over the last few years some collectors have decided to call it "setoff" instead. I guess they didn't want to confuse it with offset printing.
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Posted 07/26/2025   11:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pjr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'd account for the small portion of set-off with straight edges by assuming that the straight edge of an object like a ruler was accidentally pressed on the stack of damp sheets.

There are also some green blotches around the lower left of the white oval on the front. Is this plate corrosion or smearing of wet ink? If it's a smear, is it connected with the set-off on the back or not?
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Posted 07/26/2025   11:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
pjr wrote:

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I'd account for the small portion of set-off with straight edges by assuming that the straight edge of an object like a ruler was accidentally pressed on the stack of damp sheets.



Presumably you are referring to the reverse of the 3c green being shown.

The bottom straight edge of the setoff design was simply the bottom end of the design. The top straight edge could have been created in more than one way, but I suspect that the most probable cause here was due to the outside edge of the sheet laid upon the sheet whose printing we are seeing as the offset. In other words, there was a sheet on angle between the source of the reverse side print and the paper that received it.
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Posted 07/26/2025   11:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pjr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
essayk: Your explanation is simpler than mine and therefore better.
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Posted 07/26/2025   11:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add HWDear to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stamp education at its best! Appreciate the shared knowledge! Thank you!
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