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I Found A 1923 Franklin 1 Cent; Perfs 9.5 X 9.75

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Posted 09/01/2025   10:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Appears to be a typical Franklin perf 10 stamp.
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Posted 09/01/2025   10:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stamps2025 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rev

thank you for your reply

I checked over 250 different 1923 1 cent same stamp

Every line was dead center of the half bubble using the blue gauge, except this one

Thats why it made no sense to me; you appear to be an expert, would the Scott folks want to see this stamp, in your opinion??
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Posted 09/02/2025   01:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Every line was dead center of the half bubble using the blue gauge, except this one


It is impossible for a single stamp to be different from others on one gauge but not on another gauge. Either it is different on both or it is not different. If it is, the problem is in the biological part of the gauging mechanism.


If it is a perf. 10 all around, wouldn't that make it a #581.

Why would Scott want to see a highly common stamp?
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Edited by NSK - 09/02/2025 01:05 am
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Posted 09/02/2025   01:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add drkohler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not all gauges are equal.
Particularly gauges made out of paper/cardboard may suffer from humiduty/heat cycles. Some cheap plastic ones may also suffer. Your "black" gauge is an aluminium piece so it might not have suffered over time.

Actually to see whether one of your gauges has suffered, test them against each other, and to a stamp with "certain" perforation. If one of your gauges disagrees, it's turned bad and you should discard it.
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Posted 09/02/2025   1:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JLLebbert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The perf 10 Washington/Franklins were actually perf 9.75 ... as they commonly do, the Scott gurus rounded the value up to 10 in their catalogue. Of course, this does not explain your 9.5 ... but your 9.75 would be normal for this issue.
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Posted 09/02/2025   1:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Of course, this does not explain your 9.5 ... but your 9.75 would be normal for this issue.


A bit of shrinkage on a 100 year old stamp.
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Posted 09/02/2025   2:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamporator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Surely, if a stamp shrinks then the perforation count increases. Not decreases!
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Posted 09/02/2025   2:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Surely, if a stamp shrinks then the perforation count increases. Not decreases!


Shrinkage affects the overall size, not the actual number of perforations. So if the stamp gets a bit smaller, the perforations are now slightly closer to each other, and the gauge might shrink slightly.
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Posted 09/02/2025   2:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Same number of perforation holes, narrower or lower stamp: gauge increases. More holes fit in the same two centimetres.
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Edited by NSK - 09/02/2025 2:44 pm
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Posted 09/02/2025   2:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Depends on the direction of the shrinkage. And in any case, with billions of stamps issued, there will always be some minor variation in the perfs, we are dealing with 100 year old machinery which had very heavy usage. It's impossible for every stamp to be exactly identical.
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Posted 09/02/2025   3:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is simple maths: 2 cms x # of holes / width or height in cms = gauge.
2 cms are 2 cms, the number of holes does not change.

The only number that changes is the denominator. If it decreases, the gauge goes up. If it increases it goes down.

The only manner in which the shrinkage can decrease the gauge is if the stamp shrinks wider or higher.
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Edited by NSK - 09/02/2025 3:06 pm
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Posted 09/02/2025   3:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
We are discussing such a tiny amount that anything might cause it. Natural production variance is still the most likely cause, and therefore it is not some "special variety".
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Posted 09/02/2025   3:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stamps2025 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
NSK

Thank you for your analysis

I would agree with your explanation
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Posted 09/02/2025   3:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I totally agree that it is not a variety. I am not sure, but OP appears to claim he looked at many using two perforation gauges and only stamp deviates on just one gauge. That would be impossible. If it deviates using one gauge, it should deviate in the same manner on another gauge. The numbers may differ, but the direction does not.

Looking at the blue gauge and the black gauge, at least one of them is incorrect. And it would be incorrect for all 250 of the stamps, not just one.
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Edited by NSK - 09/02/2025 3:19 pm
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Posted 09/02/2025   3:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This stamp was issued 10-79. I suggest that you measure it on a Kiusalas specialist gauge, and see how it measures on that.
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