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Time For Another Episode Of "Why Did I Bid On This Ebay Auction Lot?"

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Posted 12/18/2025   4:33 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add revenuecollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
As always, I'm going to ask that our resident revenue specialists (Eric, Richard, Bart, Kent, Ron, et al.) don't give anyting away right out of the gate. I'd like to see a more general cross-section of opinion.


These are always fun discussions.

So, this revenue document lot came up for auction on ebay, and I set a snipe and waited. It's now on its way (confirmed via tracking progress), so it's safe to discuss it.

The total cost of this lot including shipping and sales tax was $88.

1. What do you think I saw that captured my interest?

2. What is the max you would pay for said lot and why? (Could be higher or lower than what I paid; not everyone perceives value or scarcity the same way.)



Everything I used to make a decision is shown below, which are the actual ebay listing images, other than the screenshot I took of the description. There was no interaction with the seller prior to auction close.

Images are numbered for easy reference.


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Posted 12/18/2025   5:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well ,nothing tripped my "it a good item radar" so I will have to wait.

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Posted 12/18/2025   7:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add eligies to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Completeness of documents, variety of revenues, several overprints & cancel types, connectivity of some groupings. I think you got a deal & think I might have gone as much as $100 before backing off.
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Posted 12/18/2025   7:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I saw two very interesting documents. Plus one or two nice but not special ones.
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Posted 12/18/2025   9:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rainrainbow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply



This item could have a story behind it.
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Posted 12/19/2025   11:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alub to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
the Manuscript/Handwritten Drafts/Checks stand out to me as unusual.
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Posted 12/19/2025   12:05 pm  Show Profile Check paperhistory's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add paperhistory to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't recall seeing the "description of goods pledged" small documents before. I can't figure out what they are...
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Posted 12/19/2025   12:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Future Delivery.
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Posted 12/19/2025   12:26 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So close... not future delivery. ;)
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Posted 12/19/2025   1:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StateRevs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I don't recall seeing the "description of goods pledged" small documents before. I can't figure out what they are...


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Posted 12/19/2025   1:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Security for a debt? Or a pawnbroker ticket?
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Posted 12/19/2025   1:54 pm  Show Profile Check paperhistory's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add paperhistory to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Revcollector is right. Pawnbroker ticket. There is one illustrated on page 6 in Mahler, taxed as an agreement. Mahler comments "the survival of such extremely ephemeral documents has to be considered a near-miracle".

Nice find!
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Posted 12/19/2025   2:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobcat126 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
reconstitution act of 1867? land acquisition agreements and mortgages bought in rebel states after civil war? I'm guessing on this
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Posted 12/19/2025   3:30 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Since people have hit on it, the items of particular interest are not one, but two pawn tickets, extremely scarce document types. My (unpublished) census is less than 20 total reported documents from the Civil War tax period.

Typically $150-350 each depending on retailer if/when they turn up on the market.

This particular design/company is pictured in Mike's book and it's one I didn't already have.

Unlike financial transaction documents which tended to be retained in at least the medium term, if not long-term, pawn tickets along with baggage tickets, railway passes, and steamship passes, weren't kept past the immediate task/need. There was no reason to keep them... hence their scarcity.

Once a pawn loan was repaid or walked away from, the pawn ticket served no purpose. The pawnbroker had their own ledgers/records for the transactions, so even if turned in by the pawnor upon repayment of the loan, the ticket would be discarded.

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Posted 12/19/2025   6:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StateRevs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There might also be something with the partial James Symington (signed?) document (scan #6)...but my bet was on the pawn tickets

Guess I get to keep my revenue geek status for another week
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Edited by StateRevs - 12/19/2025 6:03 pm
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Posted 12/23/2025   11:04 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I get to wear the Idiot Hat today, not for making a mistake on the lot (still in transit), but for missing a third pawn ticket in the group.

I'm working on a pawn ticket census, and going through the images I have accumulated of known examples, I have an image of this item, from R. Rich, 45 Eighth Avenue, New York, NY.




Now compare this to the item at the right in last cropped out image I posted. I bet that once the lot arrives, I'll find there's a canceled 5-cent revenue stamp on the reverse.

Captain Oblivious, that's my name!
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