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Posted 01/09/2026   08:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Niklass to your friends list Get a Link to this Message






Thanks for the help
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Edited by Niklass - 01/09/2026 08:23 am

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Posted 01/09/2026   11:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is a Type I which makes it either Scott 261 (unwatermarked) or Scott 276 (watermarked). You need to check for a watermark.
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Posted 01/09/2026   12:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Niklass to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
How much would you estimate its value to be if it were sold at siegel auction (if they were even auctioning them)?

Assuming it's without a watermark, which I suspect it is.

And thank you for your last explanation; it was a while ago – about the newspaper stamp with the ink stain.
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Edited by Niklass - 01/09/2026 12:02 pm
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Posted 01/09/2026   12:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Are you wishing that there is no watermark because it would have more value?

Siegel would never sell your stamp because of centering and heavy ugly cancel. Looking at ebay sold listings your stamp IF a 261 would likely fetch around $200 if it has NO faults. By contrast a 276 in the same condition would get maybe $30 dollars.

The bottom line is that you need to check for a watermark. Dip the stamp. Easy to do and you will have your answer. You can't "suspect" at whether or not it is watermarked. That is like suspecting that one is pregnant. You need to know.

PS: My money is on a 276.
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Posted 01/09/2026   12:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just left of the stamped mark, there appears to be an outlined "S:" Would that be a watermark?

Edit: no it cannot. Too small.
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Edited by NSK - 01/09/2026 12:39 pm
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Posted 01/09/2026   12:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Niklass to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Now, seriously, I've been looking at the results of Siegel auctions for over a year. The centering is absolutely good enough, but in combination with the cancel, you might be right; it's unfortunately too much.

I'm guessing it's without a watermark, partly because of the examiner's mark.


@NSK
Under the light I don't see a watermark, anyway.




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Edited by Niklass - 01/09/2026 12:57 pm
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Posted 01/09/2026   1:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Now, seriously, I've been looking at the results of Siegel auctions for over a year. The centering is absolutely good enough, but in combination with the cancel, you might be right; it's unfortunately too much.

I'm guessing it's without a watermark, partly because of the examiner's mark.


You want to be serious? How about the only used 261 that Seigel sold in 2025 was graded a 98 (PSE) with a cancel you could barely see.



https://siegelauctions.com/power-se...SortOrder=-1

Just dip your stamp in some lighter fluid.
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Posted 01/09/2026   1:17 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just for the record, Rodg, could you clarify whether you were pregnant?
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Posted 01/09/2026   1:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps I am just too stupid to understand, but Niklass, why haven't you contacted Siegel's directly with an image and question? Am I correct you are afraid of their answer?

You ask about value at Siegel's, well that will depend. What is you cost for the stamp, how much will insured shipping to Siegel's cost you, will Siegel require the cost of a certificate, it will sell, if at all, at a fraction of catalog with approximately 30% going away after expenses. Plus what else do you have to sell as this one stamp will not meet their minimum value submission. Frankly if value is your concern, if it is a 276, throwing it in to the trash will keep you from losing money trying to sell it. As a 276, it is not worth the cost of your time trying to sell, even on ebay.


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Just for the record, Rodg, could you clarify whether you were pregnant?


I just looked in my run and Midnight Ninja Bunny still lives.

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I'm guessing it's without a watermark, partly because of the examiner's mark.


Could just be an owners mark, as well as an examiner's mark verifying as 276, on 261

I just looked in my run and Midnight Ninja Bunny still lives.
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Edited by Parcelpostguy - 01/09/2026 1:56 pm
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Posted 01/09/2026   2:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Could just be an owners mark, as well as an examiner's mark verifying as 276, on 261


If bought in Germany, it, even, could be a seller's mark. Stamp shops in Germany, once, had a habit of backstamping stamps.
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Posted 01/09/2026   2:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Just for the record, Rodg, could you clarify whether you were pregnant?


I am on the wrong side to believe that could be possible. You know well who thinks it is possible.
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Posted 01/09/2026   2:33 pm  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That response made my day, Rod! Thanks!
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Posted 01/09/2026   4:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Niklass to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Parcelpostguy
You really went to great lengths thsi time to write something demotivating. For some reason, that's common practice in stamp forums I don't understand why, but it's funny ( I don't mean it in a bad way, more like funny.) But don't worry, I have some good US stamps that I actually inquired about at siegel auction, and there was at least interest in sending them, I obviously don't know what the final outcome will be.

And why didn't I request SigelAuction just for this one stamp? Because I usually submit multiple requests very efficiently.

But if you're going to send request for a single stamp every time to an auction house, then go ahead, that's not my style. :)
I think if you do that 5 times (without at least one genuinely interesting stamp), you won't get a reply anymore.

Of course, it doesn't make sense to send and sell just that one stamp to the US and only if it's without a watermark.

Yes, Rogdcam is shockingly knowledgeable about pregnancies; I've just noticed that!

A fraction of the catalog value? Rogdcam said $200.
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Edited by Niklass - 01/09/2026 4:28 pm
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Posted 01/09/2026   4:23 pm  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Niklass,

In the Introduction in the Scott Specialized Catalog for US stamps, it has a 3-page guide called "Information on catalog values, grade and condition" which gives very clear examples on what is expected from a stamp to apply catalog values. Read it.

Your stamp has "fine" centering with a heavy cancellation, making is worth far less than the listed catalog value. Siegel and other stamp auction houses don't deal in average condition stamps because there isn't much $$ to be made. In short, Seigel won't sell your stamp.

Look at the ebay "sold" listings for an idea what your stamp is worth.

Brian
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Brian Riley
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Edited by Rileysan - 01/09/2026 4:24 pm
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Posted 01/09/2026   4:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Niklass to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the explanation, yes,
I'm somewhat familiar with the conditions;

but I even specifically mentioned at the beginning – if they were to auction the stamp at all.

I knew that it was probably too bad mainly because of the cancellation.

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Posted 01/09/2026   5:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I knew that it was probably too bad mainly because of the cancellation.
and the centering.

Having bought and sold with Seigel for years I can tell you that they would not touch this stamp with a 100-foot pole. Do you understand how many stamps do NOT make it into a Seigel sale as a single lot? Likely 99% of the stamps they are asked about. It would not even make it into a group lot. They are not competing with ebay and there are dozens of other auction houses that can sell the stamps that Seigel takes a pass on. They have built their reputation over many decades, and their client list is a who's-who of philately. With annual sales in the 30-million-dollar range they don't need an off-centered 261. They are the champagne and caviar Bill Gross House with an inverted Jenny to sell every year. Not actually my cup of tea actually but I use them when it makes sense. I am more of a Rasdale box lot type of guy, but I am telling you what they are about.

So, you pursue your dreams and let us know how it goes. All the best to you.

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