Stamp Community Family of Web Sites
Thousands of stamps, consistently graded, competitively priced and hundreds of in-depth blog posts to read








Stamp Community Forum
 
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

Is This A Third Inverted Jenny Stamp Now For Sale?

Previous Page | Next Page    
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 73 / Views: 11,194Next Topic
Page: of 5
Pillar Of The Community
United States
2943 Posts
Posted 07/06/2015   9:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
PSE has had their name associated with the scammer by having their product (expertized, graded and slabbed stamps) used to help pretend the scammer has the real deal.

That's what I'm thinking also. I'm also thinking this could be damaging to their name/product.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1851 Posts
Posted 07/07/2015   12:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cjpalermo1964 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
SCF members make an interesting test for the tort. Does any member really think PSE's reputation is diminished, and would do no business or less business with PSE, because this fraud offered a PSE cert and stamp he doesn't have?

To me that pushes the limits of disparagement, unfair competition and/or trademark law as PSE is not endorsing the sale or assisting the fraud. It seems hard for a buyer to claim that PSE is behind the sale. Creative, though, so good suggestion.


Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1614 Posts
Posted 07/07/2015   03:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike33 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think that is a completely ridiculous idea to think that they would or could be able to do anything about people stealing a scan and claiming they have it. It's just as much Al Gore's fault for inventing the internet as PSE's

Now if people were able to crack open the slab, insert a fake stamp and resell it unnoticed or were able to create their own identical slabs, then PSE should make attempts to stop it but that's not what happened here. That does happen with PSA baseball cards though and so does the stolen scan scam quite frequently
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1614 Posts
Posted 07/07/2015   06:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike33 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You could also blame Siegels for using an unwatermarked scan in their original sale.

Lets see, who else could we blame?

I get it, how about we just blame the guy that stole the images and try to sell them as his own. Sure makes sense to me
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
526 Posts
Posted 07/07/2015   09:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Hieronymus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Does any member really think PSE's reputation is diminished,


To diminish a reputation, a positive reputation has to exist. Just sayin'.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
United States
663 Posts
Posted 07/07/2015   09:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add oldguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Went I questioned PSE about the certificate, they merely confirmed that the cert was real, but noted the offering was a scam. They didn't seem to really be interested or care.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by oldguy - 07/07/2015 09:26 am
Pillar Of The Community
United States
2954 Posts
Posted 07/07/2015   09:31 am  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
SCF members make an interesting test for the tort. Does any member really think PSE's reputation is diminished, and would do no business or less business with PSE, because this fraud offered a PSE cert and stamp he doesn't have?


I will not do business with PSE but certainly not for this reason!

That anyone would hold PSE (or any certification service) accountable for fraud committed by posting pictures of a real certificate of authenticity is frivolous and unreasonable. This scenario is no different than having a fraudster steal images from SCF members for the purpose of selling items not in their possession ...

Brian
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Brian Riley
APS 223349
Pillar Of The Community
United States
2943 Posts
Posted 07/07/2015   8:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The blame goes to the sellers committing the fraud. I didn't mean to say otherwise. I was just looking for an angle that might shut these guys down.
Not only does he claim to have these stamps, he claims to have certificates.
Eh it was just a thought.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by stampcrow - 07/07/2015 8:58 pm
Pillar Of The Community
1515 Posts
Posted 07/11/2015   05:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jenny2U to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
He's back complete with shill bidders

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-stamps-...em2a53dab1f8
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Israel
6191 Posts
Posted 07/11/2015   07:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Same shillers, same crap.
It's also interesting to note he ships by USPS Media Mail from Alsace.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
572 Posts
Posted 07/11/2015   07:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Freibergs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The guy just doesn't give up!
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
3859 Posts
Posted 07/11/2015   07:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Has there ever been any one individual that has had so many copies of these rare stamps in their collection for sale? Where are all of the philatelic news articles about this big rare collection?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by jogil - 07/11/2015 07:10 am
Pillar Of The Community
1515 Posts
Posted 07/12/2015   06:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jenny2U to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The bidding is up to $15,000 The high bidder is legit - he's bidding with other sellers. Currently high bidder on this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CKStamps-US...361339098275
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by Jenny2U - 07/12/2015 06:41 am
Pillar Of The Community
United States
572 Posts
Posted 07/12/2015   07:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Freibergs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It may not be. The previous 3 attempts at selling a Jenny had someone drive the bidding way up and then it crashed right after that with the bidder retracting. Not sure if all that was legitimate or if it's one of his shills making it look like there is real interest. Let's hope some real bidder doesn't get burned big time.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Rest in Peace
United States
763 Posts
Posted 07/12/2015   09:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bill Weiss to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sooner or later, they will. It is the same with the "Cartel". Much of their high-value material does not sell, getting rotated to the next seller name to run again, but sooner or later, a fish bites and bids higher (usually much higher) than the item is worth, then the trap is sprung. Since this listing has no real product (the seller does not possess the item) the item has exactly "zero" value, so whatever the seller can get will be gravy. This listing has been reported to ebay multiple times through the "Report Item" function, which only serves to prove how that syatem doesn't work at all. I mean, if you can't remove a fake C3a based on LOTS of reports, what can you remove?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Page: of 5 Previous TopicReplies: 73 / Views: 11,194Next Topic  
Previous Page | Next Page
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.

Go to Top of Page

Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Stamp Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Stamp Community Family - All rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Stamp Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Privacy Policy / Terms of Use    Advertise Here
Stamp Community Forum © 2007 - 2026 Stamp Community Forums
It took 0.52 seconds to lick this stamp. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05