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Quote: PSE has had their name associated with the scammer by having their product (expertized, graded and slabbed stamps) used to help pretend the scammer has the real deal. That's what I'm thinking also. I'm also thinking this could be damaging to their name/product. |
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SCF members make an interesting test for the tort. Does any member really think PSE's reputation is diminished, and would do no business or less business with PSE, because this fraud offered a PSE cert and stamp he doesn't have?
To me that pushes the limits of disparagement, unfair competition and/or trademark law as PSE is not endorsing the sale or assisting the fraud. It seems hard for a buyer to claim that PSE is behind the sale. Creative, though, so good suggestion.
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I think that is a completely ridiculous idea to think that they would or could be able to do anything about people stealing a scan and claiming they have it. It's just as much Al Gore's fault for inventing the internet as PSE's
Now if people were able to crack open the slab, insert a fake stamp and resell it unnoticed or were able to create their own identical slabs, then PSE should make attempts to stop it but that's not what happened here. That does happen with PSA baseball cards though and so does the stolen scan scam quite frequently |
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You could also blame Siegels for using an unwatermarked scan in their original sale.
Lets see, who else could we blame?
I get it, how about we just blame the guy that stole the images and try to sell them as his own. Sure makes sense to me |
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Quote: Does any member really think PSE's reputation is diminished, To diminish a reputation, a positive reputation has to exist. Just sayin'. |
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Went I questioned PSE about the certificate, they merely confirmed that the cert was real, but noted the offering was a scam. They didn't seem to really be interested or care. |
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| Edited by oldguy - 07/07/2015 09:26 am |
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Quote: SCF members make an interesting test for the tort. Does any member really think PSE's reputation is diminished, and would do no business or less business with PSE, because this fraud offered a PSE cert and stamp he doesn't have? I will not do business with PSE but certainly not for this reason! That anyone would hold PSE (or any certification service) accountable for fraud committed by posting pictures of a real certificate of authenticity is frivolous and unreasonable. This scenario is no different than having a fraudster steal images from SCF members for the purpose of selling items not in their possession ... Brian |
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The blame goes to the sellers committing the fraud. I didn't mean to say otherwise. I was just looking for an angle that might shut these guys down. Not only does he claim to have these stamps, he claims to have certificates. Eh it was just a thought. |
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| Edited by stampcrow - 07/07/2015 8:58 pm |
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Same shillers, same crap. It's also interesting to note he ships by USPS Media Mail from Alsace. |
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Has there ever been any one individual that has had so many copies of these rare stamps in their collection for sale? Where are all of the philatelic news articles about this big rare collection? |
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| Edited by jogil - 07/11/2015 07:10 am |
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It may not be. The previous 3 attempts at selling a Jenny had someone drive the bidding way up and then it crashed right after that with the bidder retracting. Not sure if all that was legitimate or if it's one of his shills making it look like there is real interest. Let's hope some real bidder doesn't get burned big time. |
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Sooner or later, they will. It is the same with the "Cartel". Much of their high-value material does not sell, getting rotated to the next seller name to run again, but sooner or later, a fish bites and bids higher (usually much higher) than the item is worth, then the trap is sprung. Since this listing has no real product (the seller does not possess the item) the item has exactly "zero" value, so whatever the seller can get will be gravy. This listing has been reported to ebay multiple times through the "Report Item" function, which only serves to prove how that syatem doesn't work at all. I mean, if you can't remove a fake C3a based on LOTS of reports, what can you remove? |
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