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Folks Why Does This USA Stamped Cover Have $225 On It?

 
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Posted 01/31/2016   04:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add duncanvr to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi I see the back of the cover has no postmarks but the high price penciled on of $277 & the plastic its in has 'great cover' $225. Why the high value? Are these stamps worth a lot and can someone work out the year this was mailed? Thanks for the help



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Posted 01/31/2016   04:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add duncanvr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a close up of the 6c Lincoln stamps to which there appears to be a few different types so I am hoping someone can id this pair and value them. I think the cover maybe 1871.



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Posted 01/31/2016   07:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
http://www.stampsmarter.com/1847usa...kNote06c.htm will help you ID the stamp. Once this is done, you can search online auction sites for past similar sales.
John B, Winston, or some of the other experienced guys should be able to provide more info based upon cancel and FM postage rates.
Don
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Posted 01/31/2016   08:27 am  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can't value the cover but the stamps are Scott #148 if they are not grilled. If they are grilled then they are #137's. A #148 off-cover is not worth much. Just guessing but I think $225 is well beyond what it would sell for on ebay in an unreserved auction.
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Posted 01/31/2016   09:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I also don't see anything on the cover relating to the "Azores" note at the top. If stamps had grills, would be likely that they would be called out on the sleeve.

Therefore, it is probably a previous owner reusing a plastic sleeve that was for a different cover.

C.
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Posted 01/31/2016   1:48 pm  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ray.mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To me, this would be a cover for a 6c specialist, looking for Postal History documenting the rate to England.

I don't know this stamp other than it's one of the Bureaus, and have never specialized there, but Transatlantic rate covers aren't cheap to begin with....don't know if the going rate would be in this neighborhood or not though.

But I suspect that the rate is due to the destination.
Hope this helps, Ray
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Posted 01/31/2016   2:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
covers to England are the most common and therefore the least expensive of all foreign destinations.

A cover to the Azores would be a very unusual destination and, depending upon the date, could easily be worth $225 or even $2250. However, there is nothing on this 6c cover that relates to the Azores.

Old sleeve for a different cover.
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Posted 01/31/2016   3:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
About the word Azors ( Azores ) on a note ! where come that note ? I purchase a lot of old albums with Great Britain stamps place on Canada pages. You have to keep in mind that peoples who wrote note don't always know what they are writing about.
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Posted 01/31/2016   3:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add duncanvr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the help, a couple of folks noted that the cover may not belong to the plastic sleeve the point I made at top is, the high price is also penciled on of $277 on the back. If these are Scott #148's the value is only around $35 per stamp I believe. I just don't see a $200+ value here and there is no rate either. Maybe previous owner wrongly id the stamps as #137's?
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Posted 01/31/2016   4:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rhett to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ray.mac, this is NOT a Bureau issue; it was produced by one of the banknote companies.
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Posted 01/31/2016   9:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billw2 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you zoom in on the original scan you'll note the date of 1871 ("71") on the London receiving mark.

So what we have here is a double rate cover to London as this was during the 6c or 3d per 1/2 oz rate period. Basically, as Chip said, an extremely common use and destination although the double rate makes it a tad better.

Probably a... oh I dunno.. $20 item? Certainly not $225.

A UPU-Era 19th century cover to the Azores is a $200-300 item. A treaty rate cover to the Azores? 4 figures and up.
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Posted 01/31/2016   9:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add duncanvr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks I better start looking for that treaty rate cover to the Azores then
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Posted 01/31/2016   10:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billw2 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's the one cover I have to the Azores... bit of a pig but a very tough destination. 2x UPU 5c rate from 1885.

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Posted 01/31/2016   10:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add duncanvr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice one I see its to a Lieutenant on the USS Saratoga I wonder if his navy career is online somewhere
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