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Identifying Scott #23

 
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Posted 10/01/2016   12:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add dudley to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This offered today on ebay from a reputable seller as Scott #23. Thoughts and comments?


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Posted 10/01/2016   2:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add myfelixthecat to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is there a back view as well?
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Posted 10/01/2016   3:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks recut at top, so it should be a 23.
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Posted 10/01/2016   3:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
felix, I don't think it's germane but here's the back view:

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Posted 10/01/2016   3:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
revcollector, "looks recut" is the operative phrase here...
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Posted 10/01/2016   3:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's as close as this scan will permit for most of us. There are people who know the plates well enough to say for sure, but it does appear likely.
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This item is a good illustration of why the Scott catalog alone is insufficient to ensure proper identification of the one-cent 1851-57 types. The top frame line here looks recut because it is dark and sharp, as the catalog shows. But it cannot be recut, and here's the reasoning process: The configuration of the top ornaments shows that this stamp is from Relief T, which was used to impress the images for the top rows on Plates 1E, 1L, 2 and 3. Plate 1L is the only plate that produced the recut Type IV stamps (Scott #9 imperforate, Scott #23 perforated), but the top row stamps on Plate 1L were recut at bottom only. Therefore the top frame line on the stamp illustrated here cannot be recut. And since it seems too sharp and dark to be an unrecut frame line from Plate 1E or 1L, this is most likely from Plate 2 or 3. And since Plate 3 did not produce perforated stamps, it must be from the top row of Plate 2 (Type II, Scott #20). In fact, this stamp can be plated as 5R2 (see attached image from the Doporto Plating Archive; the cancel on our stamp camouflages but does not completely obscure the plating mark above the P of POSTAGE as well as the guide dot at upper right). The key to plating these stamps is to know the reliefs.


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Posted 10/01/2016   7:40 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Plate 1L was also well worn by 1857. A #23 will usually stand out because of the worn plate appearance alone. This faux #23 clearly doesn't come from an old worn out plate.
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