Scott 112/B One Cent Buff

Good morning
I found this stamp which I believe has the whitout grill,I tried it with black pencil, but I do not highlight is that possible?

I do not see a grill,

Peter

try soaking it in lighter fluid. If it has a pressed-out grill,the broken fibers will absorb the fluid more quickly than the rest of the stamp.

Scott 133

I can't tell if its a used 133 or not. Could be, I suppose. Then again....

It is not uncommon for the grill to have been but weakly impressed in the first place, particularly when it was the last sheet in a group to have been grilled all at once. In such cases, it does not take much effort to soak the stamp and press out the faint dimples leaving no trace of the original grill, or even broken fibers. For this reason the Philatelic Foundation will not certify an ungrilled example unless it has original gum - which is not expected on a used stamp. For a variety of technical reasons there may be exceptions to this, but unless you know how to make a convincing case, there is little to no chance that you could get an example like this certified. There are too many alternative explanations.

In my experience the vast majority of this issue without grill turn out to be Scott 133.
Scott 133 is the "forgotten brother" of this issue and I personally thought I had an Ungrilled 112 only to find later that it was 133. Good news is 133 carries reasonable value and often forgotten/left out in a nice collection of us classics

Impossible to tell for sure from scan however

Shouldn't one be able to tell a 133 from the soft porous paper used in the American printing versus the hard paper of the National printing?

The odds of a 1 cent being a #133/133a is about 0.2%, just considering numbers printed.

On a related note, I have seen more #114's without grill (pressed out) than with and have several copies. But I have never assumed they were the special printing.

Agree Hungary... OP needs to analyze paper type.
Without a grill, it's likely either pressed out or 133/133a.
Over 23,000 copies of 133/133a printed so certainly not rare, but not common either.
I cannot tell if buff or brown yellow from scan above. For sake of pisti, I hope it's 133!

It could also be a 123. Depends on the paper.

Perhaps someone with examples of all 3 issues could comment on paper type.
No question that 123 reissue has hard white paper without grill. However, the difference in paper
Type between 112 and 133, is more subtle??? ----although Scott lists 133 as soft porous (American) compared to 112
Hard wove. (National) ... Other experts? have described similar paper types between 112 and 133, with the presence/absence of grill being the easiest way of distinguishing between the two. Comments appreciated?

However a pressed out grill is a definite possibility.

I try to send it to a APS certificate.

thk by Simone

Perhaps some of the other posts confused you; there is virtually zero chance that this will get a cert as a 'no grill' stamp.

This is the correct post...




The post which mentioned dipping this stamp is also a good suggestion. Even with simply image manipulation it appears that something is going on where a grill would normally be found.



Don

That statement is about the three cent value, not the one cent value.
There are more than ample examples of 112, 123, and 133 and more then enough expert experience with all of them for the PF or APEX to make a determination about which stamp it is.

So would you spend the money on a cert (from Europe) for this stamp? I have not seen any used certed 112b stamps, do you have a link?
Don

What does from Europe have to do with it? Put it between two stockcards and some cardboard in an envelope; postage would be a dollar or two. And yes, I agree that it appears that there is something going on with this stamp. But the cert is a $27 investment. So each collector must make up his own mind if it is worth it or not.

And I said nothing about it being a 112b, I said a 112, 123, or 133.