What Are These Late 1800-S Cut Squares?

While searching for prexie precancels, I came across these and am not able to ID these with the catalogs I have. Does anyone know what they are

I see several variations between them that indicate that they may be 2 different Scott numbers.

Its a shame that one has been severely trimmed.

Marty

I have a few of those myself and some red ones also. I keep forgetting to ask about the.

Thanks quigngt

Dianne

US Postal stationary, I'd need to look it up when I get home!

Mike

those are called imperfs right? I think I have some of those at home also

No, those are "cut squares". They come from pre-stamped envelopes.

They are from stamped envelopes,I think you will find that these could be U305 to U323 1887 to 1894 printed by Plimpton Manufacturing and Morgan Envelopes co Hartford,Conn.

It looks like a cut square from a Scott's U311 stamped envelope. I'm not an expert on these though. There are a number of variations depending on George's ear, the "G" in "postage" and the color of the paper. From the scan I can't tell all those details.

Someone will be able to fly-speck it here I'm sure!



Dan

I forgot that the point of his head, and the corner of his mouth also make a difference.

This is one area of Scott's numbering system that irritates me no end. They assign a unique number for what seems to me to be die variations.

Dan

Dan that's why I listed U305 to U323 as I can't work out which variation it is .

Thanks everyone.
I really get lost when trying to ID these stamped envelope variations. We'll see what Mike comes up with when he gets home.

The paper color on both appears to be [oriental?] buff. The paper color on the posted scan is much more pinkish than the actual cut squares.

The cut square seems to be U71 - Die 2, which is the common one, but can't ID the right paper. The cut to shape seems to me to be U78 - Die 1, which is a better value. Needless to say I'm not an expert in stationary anyway!

Mike

That would narrow it down to U307, U313, or U320.

Dan

As Mike posted while I was typing... a U71 die would make it a U313, No?
I didn't consider it could be a U78 die. Hmmmm... That's another catalog number!
Are you confused with all the U's yet?

This is why I quit collecting stamped envelopes....

Dan

wow this is getting deeper and deeper,how am I ever going to learn all this by myself?

Tina,
That's what groups like SCF are for. To ask questions!

You might want to think about buying a Scott's Specialized Catalog. There is a lot of useful information in the introduction and throughout the book. It doesn't have to be new. I don't collect modern US so mine is almost 10 years old! You can probably pick up an old version on ebay or a used bookstore at a very modest price.

All the "U's" I was talking about is that in the stamped envelopes and wrappers section of the catalog, the illustration number and the Scott's number both start with "U".

Dan

Tina, if we had to learn all this stuff by ourselves, we'd be sunk!

Although I have a number of stamped envelope cut squares, I don't actively collect them. And yes, Dan, I get quite confused with all the you variants, so I am also doing this: ! And I'm about to do this: !

Seriously though, I am really giving thumbs up for all the wonderful help I receive all of you on SCF.

Mike, are you sure about the U71 or U78? The USPS catalog I have IDs these two numbers as a 24c black Washington and 2c brown Jackson, respectively. Maybe I'm more lost with catalogs than I had previously thought .

Marty