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Help To ID Stamps From Aden (Kathiri)

 
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Posted 11/22/2010   5:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add lucky to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'm having trouble locating this set of 5 stamps. I think they are from 1967. Any help would be appreciated.



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Posted 11/22/2010   6:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

An Aden Protectorate State : 1955 - 1967

Spelt in Gibbons with a "Q"
Qu'aiti state in Hadhramaut

Your set, I believe, are an "Appendix set"
that is, issued in excess of postal needs

1967
Space Research
Values : 10,25,35,50,75f, Air 100,250f

The national liberation fron took control
of Qu'aiti state in Hadhramaut 17th sept 1967

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Posted 11/22/2010   6:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add timbres667 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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This set was issued in 1967. It's not listed in Scott. So it's never been significally postally used.
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Posted 11/22/2010   10:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lucky to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These stamps are part of a box of stamps that my Mail Lady gave me. A few weeks ago I was chitt-chatting with her out at the mail box and I mentioned to her that I collect stamps. She told me that she had saved some stamps during her postal career but just wasn't into it and said she would give me what she had collected. A couple days later I went to get the mail & I came close to peeing my pants when I saw the box of stamps sitting in the mailbox for me.

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I'm a little bit confused when you say it's never been significantly postally used. These 5 have been postally used...

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Posted 11/22/2010   11:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nope, not postal use. Timbres667 is correct.

The cancels are what is called cancelled-to-order or CTO, printed (or sometimes hand stamped) on stamps that were printed just to sell to collectors and not to be used in the regular postal system.

You can tell by the regular spacing of he cancels, every one is on the same area or at least a corner, and it is the same date, a bit hard to tell on these.

Anything that may be from certain countries (a lot of desert Arabic (dunes) counties did this and perhaps still do). If it looks too good to be true, it probably is.

Countries even now are cancelling stamps to-order and for sale to collectors that you can find these kind of stamps with a perfect cancel almost and other postally used stamps with not so nice cancels. Some collectors prefer the nice-looking cancels rather than the actual town and city cancels.

When you see a bunch of these together you will be able to tell better.
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Posted 11/23/2010   12:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is the first time I've seen a set inscribed "Kathiri State in Hadhramaut". It is is the Kathiri sultan in the corner, and the Kathiri state was in the Hadhramaut region of South Arabia, but the regularly issued stamps were inscribed "Kathiri State of Seiyun" or similar. I don't see this set listed in the SG Appendix so maybe it was unauthorised or I've missed it. The Qu'aiti and Mahra sultanates were neighbouring states.
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Posted 11/23/2010   12:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lucky to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Puzzler,
Thanks for explaining what Timbres667 was trying to tell me. I appreciate all the info (and patience) that people give me here.

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These are indeed Kathiri state of Seiyun stamps. According to Michel Gulf States catalog, the new inscription "Kathiri State in Hadhramaut" was taken into use on stamps in 1967 (and used till the end of state in 1968).

For the displayed set... A complete set would contain 7 stamps + 2 miniature sheets; all have been issued both as perf and imperf versions.
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Posted 11/23/2010   01:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lucky to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The cancel marks do show the letters yun on a couple of them. Could that be the tail end of Seiyun?

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Posted 11/23/2010   02:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
These are indeed Kathiri state of Seiyun stamps


Indeed not.
They represent two periods in the influence of the Kathiri's.

The Kathiri's once ruled the most part of Hadhramut,
but due to influence of the Qu'aiti's they were eventually
resticted to a small enclave of hadhramut with their capital at Seiyun

Wiki should elaborate for you.

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Posted 11/23/2010   04:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rod,

There is indeed a useful article on the Kathiri state in Wikipedia including a good map of the states at the time of the South Arabian protectorate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathiri

As you mentioned the period of Kathiri dominance was much earlier in the 19th century but there was still a significant amount of Kathiri territory in the 1960's inland from Seiyun.

It seems reasonable that the some stamps of the Kathiri state should have referred to being "in" Hadhramaut just as the Qu'aiti issues had changed from being "of" Shihr and Mukalla to "in" Hadhramaut.
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