Cinderella Stamp Club

I found this cover in an old album which I just acquired on ebay. It is full of cinderellas and revenues (although album itself is pencil-titled "Cinderellas", but obviously for the first owner revenues was also cindies). It also consist some proofs, essays etc.

The cover and a couple of pages are here, and you can see all scans on my photobucket album

www.photobucket.com/albums/d...znorazno/rev/

Very Nice! There is at least air mail, Lots of local post of Germany & Denmark, Australian rail parcels stamps, other interesting local, Spanish civil war.
The Confair Local Post in common but any are great to have on cover.
There are some I like to see better if they could be blown out seperately.
Again nice find!

Mike

Hi Mike. Just let me know which stamps you would like to see better, and I will scan them separately, without the album's protect leave, and in the better resolution.

Did you take a look on all the pages in the album?

http://www.photobucket.com/albums/d...norazno/rev/

Yes I did. I'am at work now, won't really have anytime to review it further.
After work or tomorrow I'll locate the interesting ones then for you to repost.
Thanks Mike

PS Happy Holidays!

Thank you... have a nice holidays, too!

Yet another amazing find filipo. I too look forward to some closeups. Terrific.

Happy Holidays.
James

I second James'comment -- a great find!

jamesw and tomiseksj, thanks for the nice comments!

in this moment, a some kind of mystery which needs to be resolved are these 2 stamps... they looks like cinderellas, but have a values 5 and 10 centimes. the 2nd one also has some kind of postmark... maybe they are some kind of church locals??

"UNIONE MISSIONARIA FRANCESCANA" means "Union of the Franciscan missionaries" ... "Franciscans" are one of the most important catholic order of the monks, and maybe they have had some kind of their own postal system.

Nice group of stamps Filipo

Cinderellas have come a long way since the 1960s. They can even be exhibited now w/o negative remarks from the judges at the time.

As far as I'm concerned, anything with or w.o perforations that looks like a stamp is ok in my books - er, should I say my albums?



Chimo

Bujutsu

filipo,

A very nice buy indeed.
Some great Revenues and Locals and much more besides.
Have you taken out the toned stamps from the rest ? I would recommend to do so.
The pair of British Navy patriotic labels are lovely and are selling for decent prices on ebay and elsewhere. I have been outbid a few times for a single copy !
The cover you showed was addressed to a former Vice-President of the Club who was most likely performing other duties in 1969. A Cinderella label from the USA was a nice touch by the sender. The address should read 373, Whitton Dene,Isleworth .

What most caught my eye however, were the incorrectly described lots of 1929 airmail designs.
These labels were the end result of a competition organised by the Junior [Now National] Philatelic Society of Great Britain. They held a fun competition to design an airmail stamp for Great Britain. The winner was a J Bickerton Sifton and his design was used by the competition organizers for Labels comemmorating the 1923 London International Stamp Exhibition held at the Horticultural Halls in London [May 14-26].
Printed by De La Rue in sheets of 240 on watermarked paper [Aeroplanes]. The watermark was designed by Edwin Amies on Roughway Mills paper.
Labels exist on paper with both Upright and inverted Watermarks; with perf 15 and 15x14; and both perf and Imperf.
There are 6 colours: Green, Red, Brown, Orange, Blue and Violet.

You showed other colours too and it's those that are of most interest here.
The issued colours corresponded with the KGV definitives of the day. The King visited the Exhibition and special sheets of Purple and Gold were printed for presenting to his Majesty for the Royal Collection. Later it was assumed that more than one sheet was printed as other copies were found on the marketplace.

I cannot tell from scans, but if any of the shown copies are gold or have tints of gold, I would love to know.

Also, if the purple labels have a watermark, I would be very interested to know.

They have been incorrectly described as both Essays and Proofs for many years but are only Exhibition Labels...albeit special ones .

Very nice indeed.

Thanks for showing and I await your replies eagerly.

Londonbus1

Londonbus1,

nice to see you back! I didn't see you here for some time, and really missed you on this thread! Thank you very much for discovering me the story about this "airmail" issue.

In the first set (in one row), which somebody marked as "proofs", all stamps are watermarked (including the purple), and this seem to be most similar to gold:





on the little stockboard, marked back as "essays", none of the stamps doesn't have a watermark, and from that set, I will say the the golden is this one:




edit: it seems that stamps are mixed in two groups... some are wm, some are not in both of them... but, I am sure that at least one gold and one purple ARE watermarked... I hope that it helps. maybe are other watermarked to, but I just don't have a right lamp in this moment.

filipo,

Thanks for the reply and now I see there is work for you to do.
Let's start with the Royal Purple, to give it the official title. [They named it Royal Purple because it was to be presented only to the King. How other copies 'escaped' to the open market is unknown].

There are two types of watermark which I will scan and post later when work allows. One is of multiple aeroplanes the design of which makes it nigh impossible to determine whether it is upright or inverted. The other Watermark is of three single planes vertical and in 'nosedive' position so easy to tell if upright or inverted.

The Royal Purple label will have the Multiple planes watermark and was printed on Chalk-Surfaced paper, so will be very white. It is WITHOUT gum.
So if you can check again the 7th label of the top lot and the 6th label of the bottom lot I would be very grateful. Any finding may be of importance.

A reproduction label was printed for the 1975 Exhibition at the Royal Festival Hall and is the same colour and Imperf but DOES NOT have a watermark.

If indeed you do have a Royal Purple example then the Market value is $70. However, the actual price one would expect to pay could be 3 times that amount !

Now the gold.
Slightly more complicated as there are colour variations [Gold to Gold-Brown] and I cannot tell from scans alone. If your possible gold copies do not appear at first glance to be so, then hold them up to a bright light and look for a sparkle, which does not appear on the brown copies. Check both carefully.
Apart from the colour variations there are other differences with the Gold types.
One has NO WATERMARK and is on GUMMED,CHALK-SURFACED paper.
The other has the SINGLE PLANE WATERMARK and is on ORDINARY,GUMMED paper.
It is not known which type was presented to His Majesty on that May Day in 1923. Maybe a letter to the keeper of the Royal Collection would help to solve the query ?

If indeed you do have the Royal Purple and Gold examples then you have some scarce British Exhibition pieces which should be treasured forever. Let us hope it is so. [I will be very happy for you but insanely jealous at the same time !]

If your copies differ in any way from the above, then more research and examination is required. I would like to help if I can and if it's OK with you. If they are 'new' finds then you can write to the BSE catalogue authors with info and scans and you will be acknowledged in the next edition. A nice touch.I will give you all the relevant details and who to contact. I have made a few new finds this year which have been previously unrecorded. [Not of these issues above I might add !]

So, good luck with further checks and I look forward to any more info you can impart.

What an exciting return from my Christmas holiday !

Londonbus1

PS. One more question. Do all of your examples have gum ? Are they unmounted or mounted ? Thanks.

Info Acknowledgments: British Philatelic Exhibitions by Glenn H. Morgan and Graham M. Wilson.

[Thinking aloud].

I do hope filipo shows up. I will go crazy with excitement otherwise !

Londonbus1.....just loves discoveries !

I am not sure what you think when you asked me are they "mounted"... as it is visible on the first couple of scans, one lot is on a stockboard, and other lot is in the long mount. But, f you wanted to ask me are they hinged... no, they are not hinged at all. All are clean at all!

Now about the colors and WM's you asked me for:


The purple one from the first lot (7th) has a 3sp watermark, and I will say that they are upright. It doesn't have a gum.

Purple from the 2nd lot doesn't have any WM, and it has a gum.


Gold one from the first lot doesn't have a WM, but it has sparkles, and it has a gum.

Gold one from the 2nd lot has a multiple airplanes watermark, and it has a gum, and it also has sparkles.



Maybe you will find interesting also this ORANGE example... this is very similar to one from the 2 large scans in my previous post... one of the golden ones... but this one (from this message) doesn't have sparkles... it has 3sp watermark, and doesn't have a gum!




Edit:
Please, understand that I am partially color-blind, so, you that is the reason why I make mistakes in a recognition... However, 2 golds (which included as large scans in my previous post) are surely gold, because they are only 2 in the lots who have a sparkles under strong light. As I already mentioned, one gold is multiple planes watermarked, other doesn't have any watermark, and both of them have a gum.

Thanks filipo, I was getting nervous !

The last one you showed was an Orange example with single planes watermark. the fact it had no gum could mean it has been soaked at some stage.
The Royal Purple, both the original and reprint were issued without gum so it makes both of your examples very interesting. Because one of them has gum and the other has a single planes watermark.....and neither have been recorded !
So too the Gold example with the multiple planes watermark....again, not recorded.

Do we have a great find here ? Are you the luckiest stamp collector in Croatia ? was it a great buy ?


Let's narrow the field a bit.
More questions.
Do all the other colours have gum and watermarks ?
Do any of the labels without gum look like they have been soaked ? Not always possible to tell I know but you may be able to.

Posting the watermarks shortly. Will post the Multiple planes and the sungle planes both upright and inverted.One of your purple examples may be inverted.
Please can you post better scans of the two Purple examples ? Thanks.

Multiple planes



Single planes upright



Single planes Inverted



The plot thickens and gets more exciting.

Londonbus1...or is it only me ?

Just by a matter of coincidence, I returned from my Germany/UK trip with a 20-year run of Cinderella Stamp Club journals....complete with the free gifts intact. An amazing hoard which I am very excited about.
Also, and no less exciting, a page of the very labels we are discussing here !

So two of your items ! Now that's a coincidence.....isn't it ?

Londonbus1.....I think I must be getting too excited !