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Admiral Two Cents Variety

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Posted 02/06/2014   10:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add woodstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
3Dadeo: Now I understand better. This is not a re-entry. This is a retouch.
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Posted 02/07/2014   01:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
This is not a re-entry. This is a retouch.

I am unfamiliar with the exact meaning of the term retouch and also somewhat with reentry as it happens.

Could you or anyone please attempt an explanation for slow learners such as myself please?
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Posted 02/07/2014   08:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AdmCol to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Puzzler,

The terms re-entry and retouch are defined on Ralph Trimble's Re-entries website on this page:

http://www.re-entries.com/terms.html
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Posted 02/07/2014   2:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you.
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Posted 02/07/2014   6:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add CoinWatcher to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The paper that you think has a "stitch mark" is thin lattice wove paper which is the normality of wet printed admiral stamps. The dry printings were typically on horizontal wove thicker paper. There are some practically unknown/unlisted very rare dry printings on thin lattice wove paper. If you hold the stamp up to the light you can see the lattice design, and the paper is very thin.
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Posted 02/08/2014   12:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add woodstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
COINWATCHER,
Thanks for your explanation. I know stitch-watermark appears on Admiral stamps very rarely. What type of paper potentially might have one?

Is the following stamp a hairline one or something else? Most of hairlines I have a heavily hairlines.







One of the hiarlines I have:

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Edited by woodstamp - 02/08/2014 12:05 am
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Posted 02/09/2014   10:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AdmCol to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
COINWATCHER,


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The dry printings were typically on horizontal wove thicker paper.

Not so. The dry printings were on the same vertical wove paper as the wet printings. Note that dry printings were phased in gradually over a period of about two years. According to Marler ("The Admiral Issue of Canada", 1982), the first Admiral stamp printed by the dry method was the 3c brown in early 1923. The printer completed the transition to dry printing in January 1926 with the 5c violet [Marler, p. 35].

Regarding horizontal wove paper, it is well known that the early printings of the 1c green and 2c carmine booklet stamps were on horizontal wove paper (the so-called "squat" stamps). This variety came about, not because the paper was different, but because the early booklet plates were bent from side to side rather than from top to bottom like the sheet stamps. Among sheet stamps, the 10c blue exists on horizontal wove paper and is catalogued in Unitrade. The 2c green also exists on horizontal wove paper, and a block of 6 with lathework was sold by Eastern Auctions Ltd. in Oct. 2013. Both horizontal wove paper varieties are from wet printings. Hans Reiche has also reported finding the 2c carmine on horizontal wove paper. Marler discusses this on page 37, and there were detailed articles on these paper varieties in The Admiral's Log, the newsletter of the Admiral Study Group of BNAPS.

Regarding thin paper varieties, there are well known thin paper varieties on wet printings of the 2c green and the 5c violet. This paper variety is easy to spot because the paper exhibits a diamond lattice pattern when viewed from the back. Both varieties are discussed in Marler (see page 36) and they are both listed in Unitrade. Less well known are thin paper varieties on dry printings of the 2c green and the 7c red brown (although the latter is listed in Unitrade). Unfortunately, this paper variety is more difficult to recognize. The only distinguishing feature is that the paper is indeed thin and the image is quite apparent from the back.

woodstamp,

Regarding hairline cracks, many Admiral stamps exhibit hairline cracks in the corners such as your 2c carmine from the retouched die. Based on what is visible in the slogan cancel, your stamp probably came from a 1914 printing.

Hairline cracks resulted when the plates were hardened and then bent. Note that this was in fact the sequence followed by the printer - hardening first and then bending. For more information, see Marler's discussion on bending and hairline cracks on pages 33-34. For anyone seriously interested in the Admiral issue, Marler's 1982 book is required reading.

Now, several plates are noted for exhibiting more extensive hairline cracks. Plate 4 of the 2c carmine is the most famous and the variety is listed in Unitrade. Other plates showing hairline cracks that may intrude into the stamp design include the 1c green plates 7 (original die), 57 (retouched die) and the 2c carmine plates 51-52 [Marler, page 248].
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Posted 02/09/2014   9:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add CoinWatcher to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is where I got my info...bnaps.org
"The stamps were printed on
unwatermarked, vertical wove
paper. At least three values, the
2˘ carmine, 2˘ green, and 10˘
blue, also exist on a horizontal
wove paper, but are scarce.
Initial printings of the 1˘ green
and 2˘ carmine booklet stamps
were issued on horizontally wove
paper, but they are scarce too.
The consistency and thickness of
the paper varied over the life of
the issue. There are well-known,
fairly common thin paper varieties on the wet printings of the 2˘ green and the 5˘
violet. This paper is readily distinguishable by the grain of the paper, which appears
as a lattice pattern when held to the light. There are less well-known and relatively
scarce thin paper varieties on the dry printings of the 2˘ green and 7˘ red brown."
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Posted 02/10/2014   2:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AdmCol to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As you point out, COINWATCHER, the BNAPS website has some excellent references on Admiral stamps. I believe the text you quoted comes from Chapter 4 of "Canadian Philately - An Outline" which is accessible from the following page:

http://www.bnaps.org/ore/Burnett-Ca...yOutline.htm

There is also an excellent article on Admiral stamps, "Guide to the Admiral Stamps of Canada", at:

http://www.bnaps.org/ore/VanSomeren...ps-Intro.htm

The article discusses paper varieties on this page:

http://www.bnaps.org/ore/VanSomeren...ps-Paper.htm

The article also discusses plate varieties such as re-entries, retouches, and hairline cracks, all topics that have been raised in this thread, on this page:

http://www.bnaps.org/ore/VanSomeren...arieties.htm

Going back to paper varieties,I believe you will find that what I wrote in my previous post agrees with the two references listed above. In particular, neither reference claims that dry printings were on horizontal wove paper.
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Posted 02/10/2014   10:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add woodstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
COINWATCHER/AdmCol,

I very much appreciate both of you providing such useful information.
I'll go through them, certainly it needs time to digest.

Please check the following stamp, what does this stamp's doubling feature stand?








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Edited by woodstamp - 02/10/2014 10:58 pm
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Posted 02/10/2014   11:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add CoinWatcher to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think you have a slip print on that one.
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Posted 02/10/2014   11:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AdmCol to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with COINWATCHER.

The fuzzy overall doubling points to a slip print.
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Posted 02/11/2014   10:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add woodstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Could we call the following stamp a re-entry?




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Posted 02/12/2014   04:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add watermark to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes woodstamp the two cents red is a re-entry. Good find.
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Posted 02/17/2014   11:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add woodstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The following stamp appears more translucent than the others when I look at its back. Could someone help me to figure out what type of paper this stamp has? Thanks.



The back,



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