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Posted 02/18/2014   2:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add serious collector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
For ex. #2128 - 51c flower

Released with TRC and Fasson paper.

#2128 TRC paper has a die cut range 7 - 7.7 single CV $1.00

#2128iv Fasson paper has a die cut range 7 - 7.7 single cv $1.00

#2128vi TRC paper has a die cut range 7.2 - 9.3 single cv $7.50

Question - if each one has a perf range of 7.4/7.5 how else can you

distinguish if you have 2128vi???

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Posted 02/18/2014   3:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sak to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You get one that is 9.30 on the side. It has to be 2138vii (or viii), right?
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Posted 02/19/2014   12:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add serious collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So to be 2128vi, 2128vii or 2128viii either the top or bottom perf has to be 9.3

Great thanks for the reply plus the help.
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Posted 02/21/2014   4:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add studystamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This stamp was printed by Lowe-Martin. At the time Lowe-Martin used a die cutting mat that produced 100 unique stamps per mat, in a 10x10 grid.

For this particular stamp (51c Flower), two different die cutting mats were used to produce the coils of 100 stamps. Thus, there are 200 unique stamps that can be identified - 100 per die cutting mat.

To find the exact position of the stamp in the 10x10 grid one must have a 'plating' set of rolls available. That would require having strips of 10 from the 10 different rolls (for each die cutting mat).

Scott number 2128 is for a single stamp from the first die cutting mat used for this stamp (identified as Pattern 6 in the Robin Harris' Lowe-Martin Serpentine Die Cutting document: http://www.adminware.ca/LoweMartin/). [i.e. it was the sixth die cutting mat identified to have been employed by Lowe-Martin.]

Unitrade number 2128vi is for a single from the second die cutting mat used on this stamp (identified as Pattern 7).

The die cutting measurement is a partial method of identifying the possible pattern and position of a stamp. However, one must also use the 'nib' locations found on each stamp to 'plate' a specific position.

Pattern 6 had die cut measurements that range from 7.00 to 7.70:



Pattern 7 had die cut measurements that range from 7.20 to 9.30, with the majority being over 8. In particular, one row of die cutting gave a measurement of 7.20-7.50 with the adjacent side being 8.40-9.30 ... a so-called 'compound' die cut.



A stamp can come from Pattern 7 even if it does not have the compound die cut. Here are 4 examples of this stamp. The left stamp is from Pattern 6 while the other 3 (including a compound example) are from Pattern 7:



The arrows in the diagram above point out the 'nibs'.

Just to re-iterate: it is a combination of both the die cutting measurement and the 'nibs' that are required to plate a stamp.
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Posted 02/21/2014   8:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is great to see the die-cutting and nibs so well illustrated.
Thanks for posting.
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