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Posted 12/30/2015   5:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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stallzer,
What would you do when, after asking to return, the seller goes of on a vendetta and becomes retaliatory? For example, he uses one of his any other names, buys a few items from you, and then claims you mis-described the items or never received them? And of course then leaves you negative feedbacks. Or perhaps he instead uses the infamous 'ripoff report' site to flame your business and reputation without any basis?
In my opinion it may be better to just lick your wounds and learn from the lesson; asking for a return may be much more painful then just moving on with some sellers.



Surely any seller that receives a request for a refund is capable of this. I know ebay is not perfect but they do protect the buyer quite well. Paying through paypal is a good way to CYA and to add the chips to the cookie I use a CC with paypal as Clark mentioned. I'm not too worried about getting my money back if not satisfied.
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Posted 12/30/2015   5:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kevin,
Yes, seriously. There are people on this forum who have come under attack. The bad part is that many folks are not willing to come forward for fear of more attacks. It's great that you got a refund, I am a bit surprised you would fall for one of his listings. You can search http://mugshots.com and find this fellows picture for the crimes he committed while living in Utah (use his real name). I guess if folks want to tell others to go ahead and buy from convicted felons and just be 'buyer beware' or count on returning items, then so be it.

But I don't think that blaming the victim, who is self described as being new, is in any way good for the hobby. I think bad sellers hurts good sellers and can cause our hobby to lose starting hobbyists. And if my point that folks should be well informed not only about the material but also about who they are buying from is misguided, then I guess we will just have to disagree.


stallzer,
Understood. But note that no one gets any money back from a seller if he simply closes his account and walks away with the cash. Some protection may be afforded if, as mentioned, a buyer uses a credit card.
Don
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Posted 12/30/2015   7:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Look at this auction and tell me what you think. I feel someone should warn the bidders there is a good chance the stamp is regummed. It looks regummed from the picture shown. How does a stamp get that faded and have such perfect looking gum... Whatever you think of the sellers in question eventually it comes down to trust. Once you lose trust in a seller don't buy from them again.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Columbia...AOSwJcZWd-qr

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Posted 12/30/2015   7:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ebay hides the bidders identities specifically for reasons like that. Just think, every time I saw an item I wanted I'd just contact my competition, slander the seller and hope to chase the competitive bidders away.
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Posted 12/30/2015   8:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don....why the OP does not post the item #?

I think it is fishy!!

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Posted 12/31/2015   02:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kevin,
Perhaps you are right. It doesn't appear that he has come back since posting yesterday and that seems a bit odd. Time will tell.
Don
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Posted 12/31/2015   03:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jenny2U to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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In my opinion it may be better to just lick your wounds and learn from the lesson; asking for a return may be much more painful then just moving on with some sellers.

Sorry, in my opinion this is the worst advice ever. If we cower out of fear of retaliation for demanding that a bad transaction be put right, protective measures for consumers will become meaningless and bad sellers will become the norm instead of the exception. Don, I presume you're referring to someone who pursued these sellers relentlessly and not a "regular" buyer. I don't think fear mongering for the majority of ebay transactions helps anyone.

dbocca if you were sold a misidentified stamp, file a Paypal chargeback for item not as described.
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Posted 12/31/2015   3:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dbocca to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello,

Thank you all for the great advice. I am not in town currently and have sporadic access to post. Anyway, as Kevin stated, if the stamps are all as described - and currently don't have any evidence to the contrary - there is nothing I can do but to accept the reality. On the other hand, if any stamp turns out to have been misidentified, I will pursue action through ebay.

Happy New Year to all on this forum.
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Posted 12/31/2015   4:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

dbocca you wrote,
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In my case, "being taken" means when the items I thought I was bidding on based on seller's description end up being not as described and of substantially lesser value


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Anyway, as Kevin stated, if the stamps are all as described - and currently don't have any evidence to the contrary -


dbocca, this is confusing to me.
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Posted 01/01/2016   04:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Vagabond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A very informative thread !

When e-bay first arrived, all the trendies were telling us it was a Good Thing.

I used it to fill a few gaps in my UK collection - about 60 transactions in all. The first fifty were fine (literally "fine used") and won at a reasonable price. The promised land ?

However, in the last ten purchases there were three transactions where the stamps were not quite as described (by coincidence (?) all were KE VII varieties) In each case, my initial email was responded to by instant refund and instructions to "keep the stamps".

You might reason that was fair enough, but it did ring a warning bell in my mind. All three might have been honest mistakes, but I couldn't help thinking "This was a try-on, and the vendor does not want any trouble."

So I ceased buying by that route, and reading the reports of others since, have no reason to regret my decision.

There might well be "bargains" out there, but I decided I could do without the hassle of dealing with potential swindlers.

The old Latin saying "Caveat emptor" might have been designed especially for this type of sale.
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