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Rf16, Aka Ruined Rf7?

 
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Posted 05/06/2017   9:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add StateRevs to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I am sure the playing card specialists will roll their eyes, but what is this silly stamp?

I really wish Scott would do a better job of showing all the overprint options and what the final catalog number turns out to be. Is anyone aware of an ID guide or grid for the overprints?

It looks to me like an expensive RF7 with the "8 Cts." overprint changing it to an RF16. Is that correct?

Is it safe to assume the catalog numbers are not in chronological order? Hard to tell, but it looks like the black RF7 overprint is over the cheapie red RF16 overprint - not the other way around.

Appreciate any help, as this silly stamp has been bugging me for quite a while!

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Posted 05/06/2017   9:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi

The answer to your questions lies in the bold text following RF7 in the Scott catalog (at least in the 2010 revision that I have).

To paraphrase, some of the manufacturer's overprints are cancellations AND surcharges (i.e. they change the value of the stamp), while after RF16 the manufacturers' overprints simply became cancellations.

So, yes, the "8 Cts." in red was applied first, by the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, and then the cancellation(s), of which there are many, was applied by the manufacturers.

Even trickier than your example is this one:



This appears to be the rare RF15, but look within the inverted "c 8" cancel and you'll see the "8 Cts." surcharge, which makes this stamp simply a RF16. This stamp is very frequently seen at dealers and auction houses, being represented as a RF15.

A "real" RF7a looks like this:



Hope this helps.

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Hi Jim,

Thank you very much for the info!

Any chance you happen to know how many different combos there are for RF16?

Not that I need yet another collection, but...
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Hi StateRevs,

I don't know how many total varieties there are of cancellations on RF16, but these are some of the ones that I have.

I'm sure there are many more...

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Posted 07/03/2017   6:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StateRevs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Jim,

After digging around various shoeboxes, I managed to locate a total of 5 more copies.

Now I am going to have to look for more of these stupid things

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Posted 07/03/2017   8:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi

Are there any other playing card stamps that you'd like to see?

Jim
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