Was There Ever A Laid Paper Used On First Issue Revenues?

I think we get too caught up in the debate about "what is laid paper" here. The question I perhaps should have posed would be - "is there another first issue revenue paper with ribbed vertical appearance?" Here is an example. What could it be?

I find the quote from Elliott Perry very intriguing.




This is the first rev of this sort I've noticed out of the thousands I've handled. Some of you have handled tens of thousands I'm sure. There is something here, I just don't know what it is or what to call it. Just for kicks I uploaded it to retroreveal. Here's the result.

I think I will send it to the PF to see what their experts say

In the end I suspect it's just a characteristic of a particular batch of wove paper used. At least that's what it sounds like Elliot Perry was saying.

Jim, I have no agenda and I don't really care if anybody agrees with me. I asked an innocent question about laid paper revenues and was largely unsatisfied with the quality of the responses, starting with the first one. I can't be the first person you have ever run into that will push back against arrogance, condescension, and the use of pure fiction to prove somebody is wrong. You have an obvious lack of knowledge when it comes to this laid paper phenomenon. I get it - you don't care and I do. To me it is at least as interesting as a silk paper stamp that has two 1mm silk fibers that you need a magnifying glass to see. Then you have the silk paper multiples where one stamp has no fibers and we are left to debate whether the one without silk fibers is still a silk paper stamp if the multiple gets broken. How crazy is that?

I think it would be pretty hard for it to just happen in the ordinary course of making normal paper. It could have been an intentional product or the direct result of the manufacture, or even condition of the wire on the paper machine.

Stitch watermarks: I just received one in the mail today. The nice thing was it was on a pair of #26. The first time I have seen one in a #26 multiple. There was no back scan in the listing so it was a total surprise to me. Stitch watermarks are easily seen without fluid 99.99% of the time.

Sinclair,

Just a friendly suggestion that you might want to ratchet back a bit with your insults and aggressive commentary directed toward those that don't happen to agree with you.

For now I'll consider it "slightly uncontrolled enthusiasm," rather than something else.

Last time I checked, pretty much everyone here is interested in U.S. back of the book stamps (thus that's why they're in this section, and not another), and they either want to learn a little something, or perhaps be entertained, or to show off a new addition to their collection, or even to see something that they wouldn't ordinarily see in Linn's (or any other publication).

Some are here because they might happen to know a little more about a particular area or collecting interest, and they are (for some reason) motivated to share their knowledge with their fellow collector friends.

If you (or any board user for that matter) has a stamp that they are curious about, debating about it over and over again with strangers on this board will accomplish absolutely nothing other than to have you either feel vindicated because you "won" the argument, or have you get even more agitated because your point is apparently not being understood, and not everyone is agreeing with you.

As has been said several times so far, if you really think that you have a revenue stamp on laid paper, then send it in for a certificate.

When you get it back, and you find that you own the first certified copy of a first issue revenue stamp on laid paper, I will be among the first to shake your hand, clap you on the back, and congratulate you on your discovery.

Jim

Maybe on classic postage they are. Not necessarily on revenues. As to the "laid" paper, I have seen several examples with lines before, and they were ALWAYS wove paper. Usually it has been on 1864-1866 era stamps with fairly thin paper.

Additionally, then we will have evidence and justification to get same added to the Scott catalog. Until one is expertized and evidence provided to Amos Media, that will not happen.

On that note, expect to see quite a few additions to the 1st-3rd issue revenue section in the U.S. Specialized Catalog this year. Most are new plate varieties or the addition of plate position identifiers to existing varieties. Also, I believe the 2nd issue imperfs are finally both going to be listed, along with the 50-cent perf. 8/9. I'm not quite certain what is going to happen with the last item as between the two PF expertized examples one is expertized as "perf. 8" and the other as "perf 8 3/4 - 9". Given that there are several decades between the two examples being expertized, it would be great to examine both in hand together.

My being an extreme novice it is really interesting to me to see a new variety that has not been discovered all these years.