Q: What To Do With Bogus Certified Items? A: Sell Them As "$xxx If Genuine"

Ugh. That's one way to recoup cert costs, just price them as semi-premium items that "might" be genuine rather than the damaged stamps with virtually no value that they really are.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_od...ine&_sacat=0

And this one

http://www.ebay.com/itm/REFERENCE-S...AOSHuh9ZU93N

Except the certificate says it's an R69b with trimmed perfs and silk paper. Huh?

Ugh. That cert should NOT say "Genuine" and reference that it is an R69c trimmed down, not R69b.

$95? Seriously?

Trawling for suckers.

So he is attempting to sell a used 498 (cat 25 cents) with a cert for 85.50 simply because the cert from 1963 says that it is NOT a rare 544. Since 544 is a rotary stamp, and 498 is a flat plate stamp and the stamp in question is clearly a provable flat plate stamp, it is not simply "an opinion". Just another scam artist at work.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/REFERENCE-S...AOSwvKtY-Ke2

PSAG is run by the original owner of PSE. The same obfuscation is at work on the certs.

'harvard-mba' is a APS and ASDA member
Don

It should actually say R69d, right?



Jim

Yeah, I missed the silk bit. REGARDLESS, it is most definitely not an R69b.

Revcollector, no need for the derisive personal attack on the expertizing entities ("PSAG is run by the original owner of PSE. The same obfuscation is at work on the certs.") I know next to nothing about revenue stamps, but from the context of the thread, it seems that two of the three certs are worded correctly within the framework of how these organizations report fakes on their certs (i.e. they cite the Scott number of the actual stamp, call it genuine since it is genuine for the cited number, then describe the alterations that cause it to be an attempt to fake a different stamp. I have rarely known them to cite the number of the stamp that the faker was trying to emulate.) The PSAG cert is not correct, but that could just be a mistake and not obfuscation.

Cynical me. The seller's handle says it all.

I have been reading PSE certs since they began, this is how they write them. It's obfuscation. This stamp is not a genuine ANYTHING, it's an ALTERED STAMP. It is a FAKE. The word "genuine" should not appear anywhere on this cert, regardless of what it started out as, since it is no longer that stamp. At best it should say "NOT an R69b but an R69d with trimmed perforations".

I disagree with the statement " The word "genuine" should not appear anywhere on this cert, regardless of what it started out as, since it is no longer that stamp." For example, a 151 that has had a fake grill applied to it to mimic a 140 is a genuine 151 that has been altered. It is still a genuine 151 regardless of the alteration. Worthless, in my opinion, but still a genuine 151. I do agree that a variation of your wording style would be better (e.g. "Not a genuine 140 but a genuine 151 with a fake grill added.")

Except that this stamp did not have something added, it had things removed. By removing parts of the stamp to create a fake example of a different stamp it ceased to be the original stamp.

We will have to agree to disagree I guess, but to me a change is a change. Additions and removals are both alterations. The stamp was originally a genuine example of a certain Scott number and, after alteration, it remains a genuine example of that Scott number. Genuineness and soundness are two different qualities of a stamp.

I dunno, when I get a haircut or a tooth pulled at the dentist, I'm still me, aren't I?

Just saying...

Jim

You aren't a stamp, and you didn't do it to perpetrate a fraud. Did you?