Paper Types Of Large And Small Queens

Hello,

normally I am still not really a collector of Canadian classic stamps - not yet :). So I don't have a Scott or Unitrade - not yet :).

But from time to time I get some Canadian large and small queens as part of a US album, and I never give them aways, but keep them for when I know more about them. It seems to be an interesting area.

I searched a bit about the paper types and found here at SCF and in the internet much information. but there seems to have been a change recently in Unitrade, so that most information I find could be obsolete.

what I found:
http://canadianphilately.blogspot.c...r-types.html

https://www.ottawaphilatelicsociety...queen-issue/

both list the types quite well, I think, the first one more recent.

and Hillson:
http://www.bnaps.org/hhl/newsletter...-11-w017.pdf

here a summary for the small queens by BeeSee:
https://goscf.com/t/17809#160151

For me there are 10 types of the large queens of which some are also on small queens, but they are probably not listed as such.

My questions about the large queens:
- is there a more recent list by any organization in the internet about the large queen paper types?
- is the first link somehow complete and correct so that you could use it as a guide?
- Hillson mentions a Duckworth paper type 9b - is this what today is as 9A in Unitrade?
- in the Ottawa link they mention the type 9 which is probably the type 9A today?
- but they say it has a "a delicate vertical or horizontal mesh" while in the first link he says 9A has no mesh?

and finally for the small queens:
- in BeeSee's list and also Hillson's article I would read it like that there are different paper types but they are not as important as for the large queens, in terms of catalogue listing, correct?
- Hillson mentions the thick card paper and the onionskin paper, are those the most significant "special papers" one should know for the small queens?

While writing more and more questions appeared, sorry for the long list. I don't expect anybody to answer all in one minute. But it's still an interesting topic, and as said, because of the recent change in Unitrade there is not much information about it today to be found, and this thread could be a try.

stamperix

Hello stamperix
You might try the link below at BNAPS..They have lots of knowledge and write ups with Large Queens...

Robert


http://www.bnaps.org/hhl/n-lsq.htm

yes, I was there, but didn't find the information, especially as the change in Unitrade (ans also Scott?) is just recent.

Hi

I'll answer your questions, please excuse if I am blunt

1) No, except that Richard Gratton wrote a useful article in the Canadian Philatelist a few years ago on LQ papers. It is available online.
2) No, contains errors, I don't know who authored it
3) Duckworth 9b is distinct from 9a
4) Yes
5) The grain direction is sometimes not apparent from visual check, as there remains little surface pattern from the screening used to collect the paper fibres.

I'll set aside the SQ paper questions for someone else, except to say they are rare enough that few collectors will ever find one.

thank you archerg, that helps already a lot.

How about the paper information of the Ottawa Philatelic Society (second link), is this a list a beginner could use to get into the large queen papers?

If yes, this would be a good start for me. And maybe the recent changes in Unitrade aren't that many. Is it just that:

9: soft white (?)
9a: thin tissue white
9b: soft white thin (?)
10: smooth white medium thick (?)

thanks for mentioning the article of Gratton. I looked into the archive of the RPSC (using his name and also the term "paper"), but didn't find any article. If you have a link, I would be glad. Although I guess that it's not as recent to go into details about the papers 9, 9a, 9b and 10 as above.

Hi again

The article is in French, from 2012 (v.63 #3, whole #370 if I recall), I don't have a link.

The OPS article looks OK, looks like a summary from the Duckworths' book, the written descriptions are good though the images are not up to par. I promised the author a few paper examples years ago, haven't made good on it.

Putting together a set of paper types sounds easy, but imagine the time and expense of sorting through thousands of faulty Large Queens (if you can find them in quantity, at $2-10 each) and not finding a full group.

Paper 9 refers to two thin soft papers that saw limited use. They are subclassified as 9a and 9b because they are visibly different. I group Duckworth papers 8 and 9a together.

The Unitrade LQ "paper matrix" was an initiative not of my doing, nor did I get to peer review it.

Ok, thank you again. I found now the article (in French) in the archive, but it's too recent to be read without login. I will take the Ottawa list as a starting point, including your information that the "old" paper 9 is today 9a and 9b, and both thin sofft papers similar to paper 8. My last questions about this would be:
- is there then still a paper "9" (without a or b) which is different from 9a and 9b, or is 9 just = 9a and 9b?
- are there any other major changes in the Unitrade paper matrix that you mention, or do I understand you right that this matrix should not really have been made, as the old classification by Duckworth (see Ottawa link) is still valid?

1) Paper 9 = 9a + 9b
2) Just my opinion: I'm not sure how Unitrade table helps price or identify paper types, so why include.

thank you for all your help, now I understand these types better. As said I am far away from being or becoming an expert, so this is ok for me as a starting point to know that there are those types. One day I will buy an Unitrade and take one step further. But I have only very few Canadian stamps, and only small and large queens, so this information is just what I searched for. The question about the small queens is something I already answered myself in my first post, just wanted to be sure. I think there are many paper types for the small queens as well, but there was little research about them. In the SCF link I gave I found basic information about the paper by BeeSee, and Hillson wrote something in the mentioned article. I will keep the thick and the onionskin paper in my mind if I ever will find a small queen that looks different, but in general the paper types are important for the large queens. For the small queens I think the perforation and colors and reentries are the way to go.

These 2 might be Paper 9 (either a or b). They do look thin and different.