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King George Red With Noticeable Error Is It Common Or Special ?

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Posted 12/19/2018   05:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Mr Stampede to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello forum

I have here a King George Red Australian Stamp from my inherited collection which belonged to my father.

I have no idea on how I can value such a stamp or if its common error or not but I feel its worth more than $500 from interest it received and comments on other forums.

Can someone please enlighten me on it and provide information on how to error stamps with defects as I have many more .


Thank You for your time.
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Posted 12/19/2018   08:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add CL_Arctos to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not an expert, but I just took a look in my Scott Catalogue and don't see an error listed for this stamp. Bearing that in mind, I'd guess this isn't an error, but a freak or oddity. These happened frequently with older stamps due to the method in which they were printed. I suspect something happened during the printing process that led to this variation such as a gouge on the plate or a foreign object maybe. Again, I'm not an expert, so hopefully someone else will weigh in who knows a bit more than me. Regardless, this is a pretty common Australia stamp from what I can tell, so it's probably not worth a whole lot, though you might be able to find a freak/oddity collector who might really want it.
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Posted 12/19/2018   10:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pennyblackie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a damage to the face of the stamp rather than an error.
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Posted 12/19/2018   3:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mr Stampede to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No it's definitely no damage to the stamp as a well known member of the Australian philately club who owns a printing company really wanted it sadly his offer was too low (500 aud) for me to depart with it .
Thanks for your replies guys
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Posted 12/19/2018   3:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I have no idea on how I can value such a stamp


But you have valued it above $500
You should have indicated that in your opening post.

Did not the "well known member of a philately club" tell you what it is?

So what price would start to get your interest?... That is the value you have placed on it. $1,000 ? $2000 ?
Or, are you just fishing?

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Edited by rod222 - 12/19/2018 3:23 pm
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Posted 12/19/2018   3:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'd be looking up the Brusden White catalogue to see if the error is listed. If it's a constant plate flaw it really should be in the catalogue. It's certainly visually striking that's for sure!
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Posted 12/19/2018   4:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bobby,
surely that is an EFO.
A piece of detrius attached to the plate.
Maybe occurred over some passes, but would have been discovered early, and repaired.
Visually striking certainly.
That would have to be placed at a primary auction house, to establish real or best value.
It's a Die l, Wmk? SCA or NW ?

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Edited by rod222 - 12/19/2018 4:21 pm
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Posted 12/19/2018   4:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Would be highly surprised if it was not just a very common "Tin Shed".

A very nice looking one but still a very common tin shed variety.

It is a perf 14
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Edited by KGV Collector - 12/19/2018 4:27 pm
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rod222 has this one correctly identified as printing debris on the plate. Definitely not Tin Shed type flaw as these appear on used stamps not mint (the explanation of tin shed flaws in ACSC makes this very clear).


I doubt if there was a $500 offer from a well known member of a philately club as the values of 1˝d red listed flaws is generally quite low.

Mr Stampede

When you refer to this well known club member who owns a printing company are you hinting that the offer was from Geoff Kellow? If so you should note that he is a publisher not a printer.

Regards
Frank
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Posted 12/19/2018   5:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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rod222 has this one correctly identified as printing debris on the plate.


Similar occurrence, from my collection.
(Although I would have expected "white space" around the attached fragment, not the apparent ink bleed.)

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Edited by rod222 - 12/19/2018 5:18 pm
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Posted 12/19/2018   5:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Lovely example of a tin shed Rod.

Anything other than a plate flaw printing error I consider to be a tin shed. Weather the cause is from paper or paper lint etc.

Some collectors want to restrict the term tin shed to ink being printed on gum effected paper and when the used stamp is soaked the ink comes off which equals a tin shed.This definition of a tin shed is far to limiting. Many other foreign pieces of what ever got caught up in the printing process disturbing the print of the stamps.

Experience has determined what a plate flaws is v all other printing flaws which I am calling tin sheds.
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Edited by KGV Collector - 12/19/2018 5:43 pm
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Posted 12/19/2018   5:49 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I suppose they're called a bach in En Zed ...
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Posted 12/19/2018   5:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree Rod, I never even thought of an EFO

Thank you
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Posted 12/19/2018   11:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob041256 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Mr Stampede

Varieties do not always mean they are valuable, unless the stamp has been assessed by a dealer would you know a fair idea where to set your price marker at. You do not self-value the stamp unless you can identify and explain the provenance of the variety and have the experience to properly value the stamp.

And if it is Dr. Geoff Kellow you are referring to, he is the editor to the Brusden White "Australian Commonwealth Specialists' Catalogue", and he does not buy stamps, I personally know him, he as well as other experts Michael Drury (George V expertiser) and Scott Starling are members of the Australian Commonwealth Collector's Club, they attend the club the same time I do.

Whoever offered you the $500 may have been more generous than the stamp is worth.

Rob
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Edited by Rob041256 - 12/19/2018 11:37 pm
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Posted 12/20/2018   01:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mr Stampede to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
500 was low for me I felt
If negotiations went up from 1500 to 8500 for a single album with first early US and Australian stamps with it include after flicking through the catalogue he had and I'm glad I didn't let it go because later finding out I had one single US stamp worth over 30 THOUSAND USD
So I know from gut this stamp is a freak and worth more than that offer. The last comment I got before them trying to get me to stay and reconsider and saying we don't just keep that kind of money here AND telling me I'm a lucky basterd I have a good collection inherited from my wealthy father (bless his soul) . And I didn't even bring them the good cover book I think or even 5% of my collection.
I'm interested to see the feedback on my future posts
Hope you all enjoy them
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Edited by Mr Stampede - 12/20/2018 07:34 am
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Posted 12/20/2018   01:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mr Stampede to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It was rennik publications
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Edited by Mr Stampede - 12/20/2018 07:31 am
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