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I Was Wondering About This Franklin 112 Stamp

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Posted 02/15/2019   8:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The reverse image has those two diagonal lines running from the bottom middle up to the left corner. They appear to be creases in the scans.
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Posted 02/15/2019   10:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dan Townsend to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I see the two diagonal lines but I thought that in order to be a crease you would have to start from the bottom edge all the way to the top edges either way ,to make it bend and make a crease.You could not crease a piece of paper starting in the middle I dont see it, it looks like a cut to me, look at the top of the lines they both have a V looking I guess you call paper bunching , if you cut something it would pull the paper with it that,s my opinion .Also why would you or could you bend this stamp that close to each bend you would most likely have only one bend
that my opinion.
Thanks for your response did you see the grills I was blown away to see them, one decent one and the other just indents I wish the pictures turned out so you could see them clearer .
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Posted 02/15/2019   11:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dan Townsend to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm going to try and send a better picture see what you think
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Posted 02/15/2019   11:24 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I have a few creases on my stamps and I'm told once they are creased they are worthless


Not worthless, just worth less.


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You could not crease a piece of paper starting in the middle


Yes you can.
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Posted 02/15/2019   11:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Totally possible to have a crease that only goes part way through the stamp, rather then edge to edge.
I have been fortunate to have seen a lot of grills over the last ten years or so. After a while one gets used to looking for likely patterns. It's easier on a stamp that I know really has to have one, of course. In this particular case the cancel proved that.
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Posted 02/15/2019   11:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Creases do not have to run the full length of a stamp, particularly when it is affixed to an envelope. Also, something could have fallen on, or pushed against the stamp creating the two parallel creases or indentations.

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Posted 02/16/2019   12:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dan Townsend to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Isn't that just called a indentation , a crease bends the paper not a indent totally different a cease will be seen on both sides.
Its not on both sides and you would think you would see a indent on the front too,its very flat and smooth on the front so this leads me to think it was laid on something and had some pressure applied like bookbndrbod said. I guess you could say it was creased by something or a better word would be embossed .
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Posted 02/16/2019   12:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dan Townsend to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I will tell you what a crease means in the dictionary ;a line made by folding;wrinkle
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Posted 02/16/2019   07:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The same conditions that pressed out the grill might have pressed out the creases. The reverse is somewhat dirty, which is why they are visible. If you dip it in fluid and watch it dry slowly at an angle to a light source then the creases will become visible as it dries.
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Posted 02/16/2019   09:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AJ Valente to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
eyeonwall writes:"Not worthless, just worth less."

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Posted 02/16/2019   11:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dan Townsend to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I was thinking that to,I have a theory the grilling machine was slowly breaking down that is why you see a lot of these stamps grills very lightly embossing grills , this was the stage it broke and left cuts or whatever but they needed to print more stamps ,so they didn't want to rune the rest of the stamps. What happened next, they didn't use the grilling machine so you have it, stamps with out grills maybe not that many ,till they got that grilling machine fixed.
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Posted 02/16/2019   4:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dan Townsend to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is another pic
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Posted 02/17/2019   12:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dan Townsend to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I' m guessing if this a product of a broken grill machine their wouldn't be to many of these around maybe very rare maybe a one of a kind. I have the only one or if their were people with the same stamp they would think it was the stamp with no grill and would think some one was trying to fake it, their was no to prove other wise but also if they thought is was $35,000.00 real wouldn't think they would have it checked out by a professional and they would think the same thing I was thinking about it and knowing what I know now this was a case of a broken machine that created a very light grill with two impact lines.
I think the case is solved any questions?
That is my opinion.
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Posted 02/17/2019   12:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tipzi to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One thought about creases in stamps. A fold in a sheet of paper is similar to a bend in a structural beam, where one surface is in tension, the opposite is in compression, and the center axis is neither. Thus, a crease in a stamp will look a bit like a tear on the tension face, have a bunching on the compression face, and have neither in the center.

When a stamp is creased while on cover, say due to the contents inside, the gum side of the stamp acts as the neutral axis and will show no deformation - the strain shows up on the stamp's face and on the inside face of the cover.
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Posted 02/17/2019   3:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dan Townsend to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting love that impute ,I think their if you look closely their is gum on the inside of the crease but not all of the crease or cut what ever you what to call it.
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