Newfoundland #1 With Major Re-Entry 15Aiv

Hello Everyone,

This is my first post on this forum. I collect mostly Canadian and Provinces stamps.

I recently acquired a Newfoundland #1. It has a major re-entry fault, which is listed in the Unitrade catalogue under the re-entries for Newfoundland #15A (iv). But the dimensions match dry printing 22.3 x 22.5mm), so it must be a Newfoundland #1 or #12A ?!?

Does anyone have any further insight ?

It certainly matches the re-entry description, but I'm not sure if 1 or 15A. Great find.

Hello and welcome! I mostly collect these places too.

Nice margins on your stamp!

I would say there's a way to determine between #1 and #12A. Look at the paper of the stamp on the back with a strong source of lightning and see if there's a mesh pattern or not. If mesh, it's #1. Whatever, I'll come back with an article explaining that if I can.

https://re-entries.com/nfld1_pence.html

Ok, I found another way to determine that. It can't be #12A, of course, because the re-entry doesn't exist on this one. Look for re-entry #2 on the website above.

#15A? Can maybe be that too, but look at the color: #1 is brown violet and #15A is violet brown (or chocolate brown). I think brown violet is deeper (#1) and other variations (#15A) are paler and look like they have more brown in them.

Thanks very much Captain Stamp for your reply ...

First of all, my apologies, I had #12A on the brain for another reason. The question I have is whether this stamp is a #1 or a #15A.

I think it has to be a #1 because of the dimensions. But Unitrade only lists the re-entry for 15A.

I have another #1 to compare (see photos). The dimensions match to within about 0.1mm (22.3 x 22.5mm), which is quite a bit different than for the wet printing on 15A. The colours are slightly different. The stamp with the re-entry is more brown and less violet/red/claret, but I would guess that it could be the same production run. The papers both have a very slight mesh.

That's curious... whatever, on the website above, a really good website, it is noted it appears on #1 too.

I am not familiar with measurements, but I can say the color from a same catalogue number such as Newfoundland #1 do vary, so, if both mesh paper, both #1.




You're welcome, hope this helped!


That's nice to see new members coming here and already having experience, and posting good quality pictures.

Thanks again Captain Stamp. So the mystery is solved for me.

The link to the Re-entry website was very helpful. Interesting that the author was looking asked for confirmation about the re-entry, and then received it. Also, mentioned that a doubling can be seen in the LL corner, which I didn't notice previously.

Yes, this website is amazing. Whatever the re-entry you find on a Canadian stamp, you should go to this website and you'll be amazed to see how much information is stocked there.

Glad to have helped you.

The Unitrade reference to the first printing of the 1d as dry printing is completely wrong. All the Newfoundland pence issue stamps were wet printed by Perkins Bacon & Co. Ltd. That is the paper was wet when printed and then left to dry.

There is shrinkage when the paper dries but this depends on the type of paper and how wet it is when printing occurs.

Your best reference for clarification on this is Walsh's Specialised Newfoundland catalogue. He explains that the first issue was printed on paper with a mesh and the shrinkage depends on the direction of the mesh, hence the horizontal and vertical measurements are slightly different.

The second printing was on paper without a mesh so the shrinkage was the same in both directions.

Hi mikyh,

Thanks for the useful info. I have a copy of the Walsh Newfoundland Specialized Stamp Catalogue, Ed. 8, 2012, which I downloaded for free. It is very helpful, but it did not have the re-entry listed.

you should get the NSSC 2025 if you are going to collect Newfoundland.

There is a five page article on the PENCE issues regarding stamp sizes

article titled

Newfoundland: Discovery Measurements to determine 1857, 1860 and 1861
size differences for 1d, 3d and 5d pence issue denominations by John Walsh (and by me pointing him the right direction)

PAGE 53 of the 2024 catalog

The measurements in UNITRADE are incorrect!

Trodent

As a long time Newfoundland collector (its all I collect, I know weird) and with a lot of stamps and covers--I agree with Trodent and Mikyh about not relying on Unitrade for Newfoundland but use the latest NSSC.

Also, color changes over time and its a subjective eye based thing (meaning every sees colors slightly differently).

I don't have a view about which stamp it is, but if you really want to know you could have it expertised.

The Newfoundland Specialized Stamp Catalogue (NSSC) has over 1000 pages. See www.nfldstamps.com