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Netherlands Sc#34-37 Paper Question

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Posted 05/31/2025   11:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Murasama to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have a question about the Netherlands series SC#34-37 that you might be able to answer. Models 34c, 35b,, and 37d are laid paper. My question is whether this laid paper is like that of Canadian and other similar stamps, where parallel lines are clearly visible. I've identified, against the light, that there are at least three types of paper among my stamps, since when viewed against the light, they are:
a sharp, fine dotted pattern,
a thicker, less distinct mottled pattern,
without any pattern at all.
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Posted 06/01/2025   12:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Laid paper is not defined by a Country. That would not make sense now would it. Laid paper is laid paper is laid paper. No parallel lines, not laid paper. Simple.
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Posted 06/01/2025   05:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Murasama to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I must have expressed myself incorrectly, or I'm misunderstanding the answer... I'll ask a more direct question: How do you distinguish the laid paper stamps from the Netherlands series Sc#34-37 from the non-laid paper ones?
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Posted 06/01/2025   06:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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parallel lines
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Posted 06/01/2025   07:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Flightle_Bee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Murasama; the term refers to the screen that is used to make the paper. Laid paper's made using a wire screen where the wires are parallel, and hence impress parallel lines into the wet sheet of paper. Wove paper's made using a wire screen with the wires arranged criss-cross. That's probably the mottled pattern you've seen. Presumably there's other patterns, like a kitchen colander would produce.
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Posted 06/01/2025   08:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Murasama to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I understand. So the typical parallel lines should be visible against the backlight...does anyone have an image of these models where the lines can be seen?
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Posted 06/01/2025   10:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
MURASAMA----- To sell a Laid Paper copy you will need a certificate without that it is just a guess . They are too easy to make .
This set is usually collected for shades ,types I and II , most better collections get into all the perforation variations , never seen one with laid paper .
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Posted 06/01/2025   10:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add j2186 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The laid lines on these stamps are horizontal. Here is a poor image of what they look like:




(Image taken from Netherlands Philately, Volume 3 Number 4, page 58)

They are relatively scarce. I once looked through 2500 of the one cent value and found only a handful.

Jan
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Posted 06/01/2025   11:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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does anyone have an image of these models where the lines can be seen?


You can look at laid paper stamps from any Country to see what the Netherland's stamps will look like. Russia is a good place to start since there are a LOT of laid paper stamps. There is no secret sauce for these Netherland's stamps.
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Posted 06/01/2025   11:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add j2186 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I found the original source of the image I showed above: October 1976 issue of Philatie. The stamp above is the 2½ cent value.

Here is a somewhat better image taken from the same article. (in this case of the one cent value).




As a hint in looking for an example: All used copies are dated 1893. (Still most dated 1893 are not laid paper.)

Jan
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Posted 06/01/2025   12:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Murasama to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have my stamps from this series sorted by color and perforation... but I was wondering what the laid paper would look like for this issue, that is, if the parallel lines are visible to the naked eye, as is the case with some Canadian ones, or if the lines are more or less far apart...
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Posted 06/01/2025   12:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add j2186 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just for the record, as I realize I wasn't entirely clear in my posts, the two images I posted are Netherlands Scott #37d and #35b respectively.

Jan
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Posted 06/01/2025   1:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Flightle_Bee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It may be easier to see the difference in paper type by looking at, say, high-quality note paper. I think the old Basildon Bond was laid paper. You could go to a high-class stationery shop and tell them you want to get laid.
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Posted 06/01/2025   1:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply




This took me five minutes to create . It doesn't have to be 100% accurate to fool a expert but to fool someone standing in front of a dealer at a stamp show ,who thinks they are getting a bargain for a few dollars but just getting a 5 cent stamp .
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Posted 06/01/2025   4:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Murasama to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's why it's good to know where to step...ask and get information, and having seen the photographs provided by colleague j2186, it helps a lot...since the lines are clearly very close together and possibly only visible against the light, nothing like the plelure "manufactured" in 5 minutes.
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Posted 06/01/2025   4:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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You could go to a high-class stationery shop and tell them you want to get laid.


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