Muddy Waters Variety?

Hello
Is the stamp on the right a "muddy waters" variety of the 86b (deep blue, shown on the left)?
Thank you!

Given how the blue is different from one area to another, I'd say it is a changling due to environmental conditions.

No - it's very brown and not everyone believes in it. Caused by oxidation so not considered a true variety. Perhaps yours is halfway there?

Does the Muddy Waters variety show Clarksdale?

The muddy water variety is usually very noticeably grey. Your example looks like a changeling

I wonder how many here actually get this reference?

I thought they were tactfully ignoring my sense of humour.

Imagine if the variety had been called Memphis Minnie.......

As paddle_more says, the muddy waters variety isn't a variety. It's a changeling caused by oxidation. It is believed that some specific "batches" of ink are more sensitive to oxidize and cause this changeling.






That's exactly what I wanted to say before reading this. Those "halfway" muddy oceans are not rarely seen. Maybe if those would have oxidized longer they would have become later what we call "muddy" oceans.

Whatever, nice stamps, Riley111! These would certainly be nice to plate...

Thank you for all the replies....I personally did not get the Muddy Waters Clarksdale reference, but I chuckled because I know some people must have!
Thank you all once again.

Canadian unitrade catalogue list 4 varieties. They are 85 - black, lavender & carmine 85i - black, grey & carmine 86 - black, blue & carmine 86b - black, deep blue & carmine
For what its worth - they match catalogue color of 86b left and 86 right in original first post.

Unitrade says that the so- called Muddy waters is a color changling caused by oxidation and is NOT a printing variety.
I am singing the blues because some of the ones in my collection, like the ones illustrated, contain the changling. Riley, just search the location and it will quickly become evident.
Mike
Edit- corrected spelling of color

You have to admire the marketing skills of the dealer that started the muddy waters thing. Take stamps that would otherwise not be very salable due to damage and turn them into a premium item. Brilliant actually! Like turning body damage on a vehicle into aerodynamic improvement.

It's entirely possible that when it was first noticed, no one knew the cause, and thought it a genuine variety.

I would offer calling it a variant rather than a variety. It is caused by ink oxidation and possibly exposure to light causing a change of color of the ocean.

It's neither a variety or a variant. It is a damaged stamp. If you can find the posts of Wert ( may he rest in peace ) on this site you can some valuable info about this issue


Peter

I'm just curious as to when these "muddy waters" varieties first appeared.
Many years ago there used to be various Canadian catalogues such
as The Lyman Standard Catalogue, CANADA/BNA Postage Stamp catalogue,
Canada Specialized Postage Stamp Catalogue etc and none of them mentioned
this "muddy waters" variety.


CANADA/BNA 7th Edition 1976


Canada Specialized 1978


The Lyman Standard Catalogue Winter 1984


Strange eh? Eighty plus years after this stamp was issued and nothing in these
catalogues about a muddy waters variety
So when and which dealer first came up with this?