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1860's Antique Cdv Civil War Era Photo Zanesville Ohio Interesting Single R5c Margin Copy Revenue

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Posted 07/24/2025   9:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jmz5723 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Was this cut away from another sheet stamp or what?


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Posted 07/24/2025   9:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, possibly with some kind of early affixing machine.
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Posted 07/24/2025   10:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jmz5723 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Yes, possibly with some kind of early affixing machine.


"Well I'll be"
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Posted 07/25/2025   07:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jmz5723 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know why I thought that this was something unusual, I guess newbie's like me are always looking for an explanation that is more difficult than is necessary, but maybe the stamp just came from a sheet that was cut up without regards to aligning the cutter with the existing perforation line, I assume that some kind of guillotine cutter was used to do such a thing.
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Posted 07/25/2025   07:37 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Another possible example of a mechanical cutting/affixing device:

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Posted 07/25/2025   08:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add m and m to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Evidence of mechanical separation is often found on the stamps of the larger manufacturers of matches. It is also found to a lesser extent on the medicine stamps of the time.
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Posted 07/25/2025   09:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jmz5723 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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It is also found to a lesser extent on the medicine stamps of the time.


And probably lesser so on photographs I would think.
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Posted 07/25/2025   09:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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And probably lesser so on photographs I would think.


I would agree with that. Match stamps are really not uncommon among the larger companies. Some common match stamps are easily found cut, but are very difficult to find with perfs on all four sides.
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Stamps are known with ruled pen cancels attributed to photographers as cdv's were often made in multiples from one exposure. Bruce Barilla (not sure of spelling) had an exhibit called o( I think) the sun tax that should be of interest to cdv collectors.
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Bruce Barilla (not sure of spelling) had an exhibit called o( I think) the sun tax that should be of interest to cdv collectors.


Baryla. I referenced the exhibit earlier in the thread and provided a link:

https://web.archive.org/web/20200609221720/http://web.newsguy.com/bruceb/london/exhibit01.htm
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Posted 07/26/2025   10:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add m and m to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry. I overlooked that
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Posted 07/26/2025   4:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jmz5723 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Yes, possibly with some kind of early affixing machine.


Does anyone have a photo of an 1860's period affixing device, it would interest me to see what they looked like?
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Posted 07/26/2025   5:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I do not remember ever seeing one. Only the stamps which show the signs of being used.
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Posted 07/27/2025   08:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add m and m to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Vertical stripping of sheets by use of a knife, scissors,steel ruler, tracing wheel or guillotine paper cutter was probably the most likely method used. I don't think any actual dedicated device was used. Government coiling of stamps and its associated gadgets did not come along until 1901.
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Posted 07/27/2025   12:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jmz5723 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Vertical stripping of sheets by use of a knife, scissors,steel ruler, tracing wheel or guillotine paper cutter was probably the most likely method used. I don't think any actual dedicated device was used. Government coiling of stamps and its associated gadgets did not come along until 1901.


Well, you ruined it for me, I was really looking forward to seeing some kind of primitive contraption from the 1860's which stripped a row of stamps from a sheet into a coil, and then could also remove a stamp one by one from the coil, wet it and affix it to whatever cover or document that they wanted to.
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