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1860's Antique Cdv Civil War Era Photo Zanesville Ohio Interesting Single R5c Margin Copy Revenue

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Posted 07/27/2025   3:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZebraMan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Well, you ruined it for me, I was really looking forward to seeing some kind of primitive contraption from the 1860's which stripped a row of stamps from a sheet into a coil, and then could also remove a stamp one by one from the coil, wet it and affix it to whatever cover or document that they wanted to.

Too tempting to resist. Here's what AI imagines such a machine might have looked like.



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Posted 07/27/2025   4:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jmz5723 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The last photo is more like what I imagined. The finely dressed man must be the affixing machine company technician who was called out by the photographic studio to set up the device for doing CDV's.
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Posted 07/27/2025   8:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I find no patents for stamp affixing machines until decades after the need for the revenue was terminated by the government in the 1860's.

Edit: Why not ask your AI friend ZebraMan what and 1860's airplane would look like?
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Posted 07/27/2025   9:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZebraMan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Why not ask your AI friend ZebraMan what and 1860's airplane would look like?

Apparently it is self-flying since there were no licensed pilots in 1860.

Hopefully someone will post another CDV soon and get this thread back on track.
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Posted 07/27/2025   9:17 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, that looks much more like steampunk Victorian era than 1860s IMO.
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Actually, that looks much more like steampunk Victorian era than 1860s IMO.


Says Dan with his mandatory goggles...
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Posted 07/27/2025   10:35 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, having a magnifying visor done in steampunk style would be way cool.
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Posted 07/28/2025   12:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks ZebraMan, this is a blast.

As to goggles, a pair of welding goggles from the 1920's would do. No I am not going to post a picture of mine which came in a metal goggles case.

If we wander in my thread (I am the OP) just deal with it. <<<Pun intended . V V V





Perhaps this gentleman was the inventor of photo image playing cards but he had not yet gotten it right.
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Posted 07/28/2025   01:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Tired of the little 1, 2 and 3s? Here is a are two nickles:






Currently cycling on ebay. I don't know what it is worth but the price is under $18 + S&H.

Much smaller photo still a nickle--

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The tax was based on the price of the photo. Five cent rates are much less common but need some evidence that they belong. A tying cancel or initials that match the photographer.
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The first is more likely to be legit than the second, the former being oversized and exhibiting hand tinting, thus a more expensive product.

That said, the latter simply being a "normal" CDV doesn't necessarily mean the usage was contrived, as sometimes photographers would aggregate the tax out of expediency, even though that technically was not permitted.

Also, one of the difficulties with CDVs vs. transactional documents: there is no rate that can be checked against, becase we don't know what was charged for the photo and/or services involved... there's no dollar amount known.
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The tax was based on the price of the photo. Five cent rates are much less common but need some evidence that they belong. A tying cancel or initials that match the photographer.


Tying cancels are the ideal, but the vast majority that I see are pen cancels or handstamp precancels that don't tie the stamp to the card. I think both of those 5 cent stamps are legit because the pattern of soiling and staining on the cards is also on the stamps. The one stamp with the bent down corner exposes a lighter area underneath which seems to indicate that the corner was bent down much later in time.
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Posted 07/28/2025   12:22 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
When it comes to revenue material, tying cancels are actually the exception rather than the norm.
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The second one has an ornate frame and oval cut-out Cartouche matte that looks more elaborate and took more effort to create than just a plain rectangular photo pasted to a card.

Could that have been more expensive premium upgrade to justify a nickel rate?
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