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Germany 1920 & 1921 Super Oddity Pair

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Posted 11/05/2012   6:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add UFOAirMail to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Have you guys ever seen anything like these?
Top stamp is 1920 and stamp attached below is 1921


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Posted 11/05/2012   7:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
yes-----it is one-third of a booklet pane ,complete pane its valued at $5.00
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Posted 11/05/2012   7:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UFOAirMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
1/3 of booklet pane? Shouldn't all the stamps in the group or roll be the same if attached to each other like this?
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Posted 11/05/2012   7:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add new12collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They had different denomination stamps in them for different rates, I assume. The USA used to do this as well.
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Posted 11/05/2012   7:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UFOAirMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok I just read that the lower stamp is a Bavaria stamp and that they were overprinted Deutsches Reich..I think they screwed up and didnt over print the top stamp,which is the older stamp which was intended for overprinting..this would be only explanation I think,,what do you think happened here?
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Posted 11/05/2012   7:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UFOAirMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can anyone out there show me 2 stamps attachd like this from totally different years? the above stamp is a 1902 72a16 scotts,the lower is a 1920 141 a26,,over printing was going on and I think this is possible that one stamp was left not over printed
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Posted 11/05/2012   7:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
UFO, back in the old days lots of countries used to do this. As floortrader said, it is part of a booklet pane. You can find these in the catalog section under booklets, but you won't find them listed in the regular section!

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Posted 11/05/2012   7:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UFOAirMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I looked up Deutsches Reich booklet pane stamps and found different colored stamps of same denominations in a single booklet pane and I also found different denominations in a single booklet pane but all are same stamp designs..nothing like this verticle pair I posted as of yet that is....
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Posted 11/05/2012   7:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UFOAirMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
New12 I am totally confused now ..I am new at this and I really thaught I found something very odd here and couldnt wait to show you all..do you think this is odd to have stamps like this from 2 different years then??

Very interesting here~ Se-tenant stamps
http://www.linns.com/howto/refreshe...rcourse.aspx

Here they mention this~ A single pair of stamps — one of each design — is shown in the illustration.

Stamps with different designs that are attached to one another are called "se-tenant" by stamp collectors.

"Se-tenant" translates from French as meaning "holding together." In French the word is pronounced "seh-tah-NOHN," while many American collectors pronounce it "seh-TEH-nent."

The term is used to describe attached stamps that are different from one another in any way, such as design, color or denomination (face value).

Still no mention of stamps attached together from different years??Especially this far back in time??
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Posted 11/05/2012   7:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
UFO, no need to be confused. The two stamps you have are NOT from different years; they have a different catalog number from the regular stamps.
If you do not have a catalog that lists these, please be patient, someone will be along and give you the correct catalog number for this pair.
And by the way, these stamps are not overprinted!

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Posted 11/05/2012   7:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Catalog number in SCOTT'S is 141b.
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Posted 11/05/2012   8:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add new12collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Apologies for the confusing post- just trying to say stamps not from Bavaria and list what would be the catalog numbers for both singles- sorry again.
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Posted 11/05/2012   8:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UFOAirMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you so very much Peter & floortrader! 141b says booklet pane 2 #124 + 4 #141..well I do not have 6 stamps here but probally a section of that then?? very odd and first ones I have ran across like this,,thank you all for your help
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Posted 11/05/2012   8:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ryan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is Deutches Reich vertical combination print S29 in the Michel Deutschland-Spezial catalogue. Germans like collecting such things - every possible horizontal and vertical booklet stamp combination is catalogued, and there are pre-printed albums available for collectors. The German term is Zusammendrucke. Here's a recent ebay auction.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/33080463784...ig_cvip=true

If the cancel is genuine, somebody got a screaming deal. Used, one pair is catalogued at €50. The problem is, virtually everything of value in a German stamp has been forged at some point ....

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Posted 11/05/2012   8:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UFOAirMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ryan thank you so much I dont yet have the specialized catalog..any idea on appox worth on the pair I posted would be much appreciated
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Keep in mind we did this in the U.S. too -- see Scott #1623d and #1893a. Canada has done the same thing, printing booklet panes with as many as four different denominations.
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