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** New Canada 139 Unique Variety **

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Posted 07/09/2020   4:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add jogil to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
New unique Canada 139 with unlisted inverted surcharge variety mint stamp block of 4 has been recently certified as genuine by APEX certificate number 233049.
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Posted 07/09/2020   4:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow jogil

Where did they come from...?
Are they your stamps...?

Robert
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Posted 07/09/2020   4:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
wert: No, they are not my stamps but they belong to someone who knows someone that I know.
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Edited by jogil - 07/09/2020 4:35 pm
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Posted 07/09/2020   5:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
buy it...buy it...buy it.


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Edited by wert - 07/09/2020 5:25 pm
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Posted 07/09/2020   9:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add No1philatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Too bad the top two are hinged. If there are 4 there are probably more.
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Posted 07/10/2020   06:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In almost 100 years since first being inverted surcharged, these are the first stamps to be certified as genuine. This was all prompted by an article in "Maple Leaves" entitled "Canada 1926 Provisional 2 Cents Surcharges on King George V- Admiral Issue", Maple Leaves, Vol 35, #4, Whole #346 (Oct 2017), p. 219(7) which got the attention of Ariel Hasid of WIP International who knew about this block of stamps with inverted surcharges and had it sent in to be expertized by APEX.
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Edited by jogil - 07/10/2020 06:07 am
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Posted 07/14/2020   3:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anthraquinone to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I suspect it will be obvious once I have been told but what is the "VCS Examination" on the cert ? I guess a high resolution and enlargement overlay .

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Posted 07/14/2020   11:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add No1philatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Anthraquinone, VSC stands for Video Spectro Comparator, one of which is owned by the Vincent Graves Greene Philatelic Research Foundation. It is used for authenticating postal material as well as checking for other alterations or defects, etc. Attached is a screen grab from their site about the device. As a matter of fact, in the latest issue of Canadian Stamp News was part 3 of a story about what this device can do and discover.

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Posted 09/14/2020   12:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Does anyone know if this variety will be listed in Canada stamp listings in catalogues and in Canada stamp catalogues?
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Posted 09/14/2020   4:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add codehappy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Does anyone know if this variety will be listed in Canada stamp listings in catalogues and in Canada stamp catalogues?


Inverted overprints are major errors, so I'd suggest the only way this doesn't eventually get a listing in Scott and Unitrade is if there are lingering questions of authenticity (APEX says it's genuine) or provenance (major errors occurring as printers' waste, for example, are usually not listed).
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Posted 09/15/2020   07:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
codehappy: This is what I am trying to find out about what is going on about its listing. There is more information on this block in CPSGB "Maple Leaves", Volume 36, Number 6, Whole Number 356, April 2020, Pages 306-307 with regards to its provenance.
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Edited by jogil - 09/15/2020 07:02 am
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Posted 09/15/2020   09:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jogil

As far as I can tell..The 2020 Unitrade Catalouge has not recognized this major error...Can only hope Robin Harris sees this block and decides to place it in his Catalouge...That would leave it open for collectors to search for blocks and singles.

Robert

Not sure if this is to be added to Mr. Walsh's B.C.S.S.C. Catalouge.
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Edited by wert - 09/15/2020 09:03 am
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Posted 11/10/2020   10:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add No1philatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
News regarding the subject matter in this old thread. In the newest issue of Canadian stamp news, volume 45 Number 16 dated November 24 to December 7, 2020, is the first part of two part story about quite this unique 139b block of 4.

Well, its official. The Vincent Graves Green Foundation has issued a certificate dated June of 2018 stating that the stamps are Mint OG block of 4 with fake surcharge and APEX has recalled its certificate.

Attached is a copy of the certificate as seen on the front page of CSN as noted above. Note it states 130b!

My previous assumption about "if there are four their are more" appears to be correct, according to this story.


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Posted 11/12/2020   09:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A thorough examination by XRF, FTIR, etc. of the surcharge ink is also needed. The original ink appears to be a shiny reflective metallic black ink. The aforementioned CSN article is as follows: https://canadianstampnews.com/apex-...rprint-fake/
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Edited by jogil - 11/12/2020 09:24 am
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Posted 11/14/2020   02:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just found the following Greene Foundation new report online: http://www.greenefoundation.ca/Cana...20REPORT.pdf
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Edited by jogil - 11/14/2020 07:45 am
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Posted 11/14/2020   09:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jogil...I bet the owner is a little upset...But, he has probably one of a kind forgery...The colour of the overprint seems to be brownish colour.

Robert

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